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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:32 PM
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President Jimmy Carter is an evangelical.
So quit acting like jerks towards evangelicals, the few of you that are.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:40 PM
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1. Why are you calling out other DUers?
Shouldn't you alert on the people who are "acting like jerks" or take it up with them?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:40 PM
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2. I know he's a preacher and a Christian
but I've never heard of him being an evangelical.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:43 PM
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3. President Jimmy Carter, America's first evangelical Christian president
"Former President Jimmy Carter, America's first evangelical Christian president, still teaches Sunday school at his Baptist church in Plains, Georgia ..."
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=7572
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:46 PM
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7. my parents are evangelical Christians
they oppose abortion but beyond that they have come a long way on gay rights, they oppose the death penalty and the stupid flag burning amendment, and they are out on the left with Kucinich, Boxer, and Bernie Sanders on economic issues. So yes, one can be an evangelical Christian and a Democrat. Some people think Dems are going to all walk lock step and agree on everything like the fascist GOP party. I am glad we don't. A divrese range of opinions means we have a better chance at correcting our mistakes ourselves so that when we are elected we don't run government into the ground and get tossed out of office.
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Master Mahon Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:51 PM
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14. If I'm not mistaken
the Evangelicals came out strongly against the Iraq war and placed Full page ads in the NYTimes and other major papers calling on Bush not to invade Iraq.
Am I thinking of another denomination?
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PeaceProgProsp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:21 PM
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31. Jim Wallis's organization did that.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:47 PM
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9. cool
I have no problem with evangelism as long as those who spread the word know when no means no. My problem is with Dispensationists.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:44 PM
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4. few?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:44 PM
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5. Is it that difficult to judge from the context...
that when DUers are ranting about evangelicals they aren't talking about the evangelicals of the Jimmy Carter persuasion?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:46 PM
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8. Yes it is. (nt)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:47 PM
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10. That was a rhetorical question.
And you got it wrong.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:49 PM
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13. You have all the answers, don't you? Quit proving my point.
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 04:50 PM by w4rma
Btw, that was a rhetorical question.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:48 PM
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11. Apparently not.
Some people have acute chronic Iwannabeavictimitis. :eyes:

Why do you hate christians?

:D
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:45 PM
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6. Jim Wallis is a fundamentalist, and much more radical than
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 04:46 PM by bobbolink
many Dems, including many who post here.

Sweeping generalizations accomplish nothing.

Hurrah for Jimmy Carter, Jim Wallis, and others leading the struggle!
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:19 PM
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39. i will join in that
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 10:21 PM by faithnotgreed
i am also pretty much a fundamentalist and my conservative Christian/Catholic mother considers me pretty radical too
im thankful she has recently returned to Catholicism after many many years away - finally she is hearing an alternative to bush and his love of killing (and other non Christian ways)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:49 PM
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12. I'd like him to keep his religion and his politics separate
It's nice to know of his 'faith', and his expressions of it are sometimes interesting, but I don't want him applying his unproven 'beliefs' about our origins and creation to the bulk of our real world issues and concerns.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:52 PM
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15. Go do some research on President Carter and you'll realize he doesn't do
what you appear to be accusing him of doing.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:04 PM
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21. jesus, you know I didn't accuse him of anything
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 05:12 PM by bigtree
I like Jimmy Carter just fine. I don't want him or anyone else applying their religous beliefs to real world problems (edit:) in government.

Carter is an evangelical like the rest. Fine. I have the same admonition for Carter or anyone else with religous zeal. I'm not at all offended by their religous references and displays, I'm just don't think those have a place in government. Just getting to the nub of any objection I might have with his religiosity.

Why else would you bring Carter's evangelicalness up if you didn't want to make a comparative point to be responded to? Little defensive? I'm not hostile at all to Pres. Carter.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:30 PM
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27. Sounds good to me. (nt)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:52 PM
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16. As long as he walks the walk
and lives by what he truly believes, I have no problem with Carter trying to live a spiritual life.


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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:54 PM
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17. So?
Some of the most effective anti-war demonstrators of the Vietnam era were members of the Catholic clergy. Do you think that's going to stop people from bashing the Catholic Church around here and making references to pedophiles or Nazis every time someone posts something about the Church or the Pope? You're either ridiculously optimistic, absurdly naïve, or completely delusional.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:55 PM
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18. At least **I'm** trying to find a common ground.
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 04:56 PM by w4rma
What are you doing other than whining and calling others "ridiculously optimistic", "absurdly naïve", and/or "completely delusional"?
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:59 PM
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19. Pointing out the utter futility of your argument.
People who have preconceived prejudices aren't going to be swayed, no matter what you say. (See any of countless previous discussion threads which reference Catholicism to get an idea of what I'm talking about; this is the same thing, and I know what you're trying to do, but it's pointless.)
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:01 PM
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20. I disagree with your basic premise.
Anyone can be swayed, **especially folks who post on DU** who are mostly here to exchange ideas about politics.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:08 PM
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22. What a hypocrite.
You start a thread calling out other DUers, build a strawman and then attack us for questioning your "logic"?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:29 PM
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25. I think he is trying to educate about discrimination or hate speech
Seems reasonable enough.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:29 PM
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26. Essentially. (nt)
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:08 PM
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28. No, he is calling out other members,
and trying to push a right wing talking point.

But he does it well.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:19 PM
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30. LOL, just what "right wing talking point" am I pushing?
And exactly who did I call out?

At least I can have the comfort that I am pushing right wing talking points well. :sarcasm:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:28 PM
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32. Isn't it obvious?
The long suffering persecuted christian one.

We godless liberals hate christians.

Or so says O'Reilly, Coulter and Robertson.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:36 PM
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35. "the few of you that are." (nt)
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:39 PM
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36. Then name us.
Of course, you also have to provide evidence of your accusations.

Unless you're a fundamentalist hypocrite.

They get a pass.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:10 PM
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23. There will always be people here who don't take politics seriously.
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 05:11 PM by LoZoccolo
There will always be people here to vent and rage, even against our own, rather than change things.

For them, there's the red X.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:26 PM
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24. If ours is truly a big tent, then we look at each person,
judge them by their progressive credentials, and if they are Democrats, we welcome them. Doesn't matter what other affiliations they have, nor the color of their skin or the amount of money in their pockets.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:13 PM
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29. I refer to his ilk as "Jimmy Carter Christians"...
because they're the nice ones and really do care about humanity.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:34 PM
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34. I think I'll start doing the same.
What a great idea.

:)
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:29 PM
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33. Jimmy dumped the Southern Baptist Convention when ...
... it went haywire. He talks about it in his excellent book "Our Endangered Values."
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 06:40 PM
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37. Wow. He doesn't look that old.
Fun fact: the reason there's a 'Southern Baptist Convention' is because the Southern Baptists split with Northern Baptists before the Civil War; they claimed that slavery was biblically justified ('hewers of wood and drawers of water', don't you know). And the president of the Southern Baptist Convention in the late 1930's-early 1940's was a virulent racist, anti-Semite, and vocal admirer of Nazi Germany. They never WENT 'haywire'; they've ALWAYS been that way.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:49 PM
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38. Carter never, EVER gave the slightest hint--
--that he thought his beliefs were in any way better than anybody else's, unlike many in public life we could name. He just lived his beliefs and let it go at that. Too bad none of the Repug fundies are ever going to follow his example.
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