I mean, if it's about the sheets, I'm willing to compromise.

:eyes:

Those "See you at the pole" kids will be sooooooo jealous.

But I wonder about during lunch or recess. Or is it a runs with scissors sort of thing?

Maybe they could do it in the science lab.

Do they want to burn these miniature crosses behind the backstop on the baseball field?

They're taking the "See you at the pole" ceremonies a little bit further.

Instead of writing the names of non-christian students that need to be prayed for, they're going to put their names on little pop stick crosses and burn them.

A school can't discriminate based on content of the speech, but it can impose content neutral time, place and manner restrictions, so long as they are facially neutral and universally applied. While the school couldn't prohibit students from forming a group of some sort, it could legally prevent all groups from burning materials, as that creates a legitimate safety hazard.

The district to which you refer has a very bad attorney who has given very bad advice- or else the district did what they wanted in spite of their counsel's opposition. Wonder which it is? Or is this some national phenom?

If you can stomach it.

Don't know about the exact legalities, but if students want to form a KKK group that doesn't advocate violence as a club in school, I don't think there is a legal way to prohibit it. Granted, I doubt it would be popular in many schools. Also, I don't think they could burn crosses within the school, or even on school grounds, for safety reasons, but that would probably be the only prohibition.

from practicing their religion.

http://www.kkk.bz/just_for_kids.htm

''It's your RIGHT to be WHITE!''

But asbestos underwear is a little too pricey for my budget.

Thanks for the reminder!

it's worth a thread of its own, actually, just to let people know what's out there

it used to have a soundtrack

speaking of favorite sites, have you seen this one?

http://www.yourgoingtohell.com/

this one has a wonderful soundtrack: cheesy keyboard versions of LedZep and other Hellband sounds

So many choices, I can't possibly make up my mind...it's like being in a shoestore!

But everything to do with equal access. If a group of students can meet the standards for forming a student club at school, they cannot legally be hindered from forming said club UNLESS ALL CLUBS ARE BANNED. It doesn't really matter what the CONTENT or theme of the club is, as long as they meet the standard requirements. This means both secular clubs, like the Chess club, Young Democrats, Young Republicans, etc. and other clubs, such as Bible study and Wiccan clubs can also be formed, even Atheist and philosphy clubs are formed, I should know, I was a proud member of the Philosophy club at my high school, and helped start a VIDEO GAME club back in middle school, we actually had to fight the school board for that club, and we won too, good thing we didn't need to resort to going to court over it.

But hey, that's beside the point.

Fred Phelps has every right to start clubs at schools too, right?

I think this conversation just went right over your head, just because a club could be offensive doesn't mean it should be banned in an of itself. Remember, the Gay-Straight Alliance has been fighting an uphill battle everytime some students at high schools around the country try to form clubs based on them. Same for many other clubs, also, I don't CARE what the theme or content is of said clubs, religious, non-religious, political, or otherwise, you cannot treat them differently from each other LEGALLY. Its called EQUAL ACCESS.

It happens.

only the ones that offend your sensibilities should be banned?

They can and DO have their clubs at school, the ACLU supports them and hyperbole coming from the Church of the Perpetually Persecuted irritates the hell out of me.

The first flaw in your OP is the fact that you were talking about a specific act, one that WOULD be prohibited, not because of the beliefs of the group in question, but because of safety issues. For example, such an act would REQUIRE that faculty or at least an adult be present, even if done, let's say, outside or in the science lab, just to prevent any fire from going out of control. Other than that specific act, as long as the club in question doesn't advocate violence at school, they can do what they wish.

Same reason as always, because nobody is listening to reason.

How many more straw man/knee jerk/freak out threads are we going to have to suffer because of this non-issue.

If you can't beat 'em...

I guess I took it too seriously because I didn't see your post in the other thread. I actually agree with you, its a non-issue, I'm just arguing against ignorance.

I'm just ornery today.

Daily life in Fundytopia will do that to an atheist.

We're always on the same side of this issue and many others as well. :hug:

:hug:

Believe me, its always an uphill battle when combating ignorance, both on this board and IRL, but the most we can do is try, and if being a smartass does it, good on ya! ;)

The KKK really over did it.

Maybe we could burn Confederate battle flags, instead.

That's downright disrespectful.

Geez, that's something a godless librul would do.

then its legal, its called the right to association. I'm not advocating that its MORAL or RIGHT, just that its legal. Besides, we don't really have to isolate it to just the KKK, David Duke's bullshit-named NAAEP, could also have student members form such clubs.

Oh, dear. You don't think the wing nuts will call for a law protecting sacred Christian crosses? How ironic that would be.

if they tried. As I said before, equal access is all that matters as long as you follow the rules, you can form any type of club you like. I helped form a Video Game club in Middle school, and the faculty at first didn't like that, till I wrote a rather eloquent, for a 7th grader, synopsis for the group, to combat ignorance about video game that leads to adults trying to ban them(this was during the Mortal Kombat craze back in 1992-3). Some teachers were actually impressed with this, the club had to meet a standard for CONSTRUCTIVE activities, and they thought this met the standard. I was pretty proud of that myself. :)

I mean, maybe we can dye the sheets in pretty pastel colors. Like Easter Eggs!

See?

We CAN all get along!

:rofl:

THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LOUDMOUTH BRIGADE. exclamo valde!

The LOUDMOUTH Brigade!

I can whine louder than you can!

I'M THE LOUDEST WHINER HERE DAMMIT! WAIT, THAT DIDN'T COME OUT RIGHT, AND WHY THE FUCK IS CAPS LOCK BROKEN ON MY KEYBOARD? AWW, TO HELL WITH IT

PULL MY FINGER!

BET YOU DIDN'T EXPECT THAT, DIDYA? :evilgrin:

You win!

Nobody does smartass like DUers!

We bad.

Better to be a smartass than a Dumas, no wait, dammit, that didn't come out right either. Fuckit, we better be careful though, the mods may end up taking this thread to the lounge, I would hate for it to be wasted on those staid, boring folks. :evilgrin:

Looks like we are headed there... :eyes:

:rofl:

What do I have to do to get one of those?

BTW, your art is getting better by the moment!
Some of it is quite chilling.

Talk about an infinite source of inspiration...

I had to look at the face twice. :)

and would feel closer to god if the club could burn a cross.



*this is in no way meant to suggest that Methodists are Klan members.

I mean, anyone who knows anything knows that the godless liberals with the help of the left leaning news organizations are taking over our country and trying to ban Jesus.

Stop the Persecution!!!

OOPS!

never forget the waiver!

:evilgrin:

hehehehehe

That YOUR kid would! ;) :hi:

I NEVER push the envelope...

I'm as innocent as you are!

And furthermore, either show me a recognized religion that requires cross burning or stop replying with twisted unrelated logic please.

Oh, that's right.

I forgot.

You already did.

things up instead of just twisting logic. Cause I didn't mention any religion whatsoever, so it is obviously a figment of your imagination that 'I already did mention one'.

So please stop twisting logic and/or making things up.

Thanks.

so they are recognized by the Government as a bona fide religion. In case you are wondering, these churches are affiliated with groups like Aryan nations.

there is nothing legally, except outright banning all clubs, that schools can do to prevent that.

I don't recall saying they couldn't. If they didn't engage in hateful or dangerous behavior (thereby setting them apart from other clubs) then I see no problem with it.

:dunce:

And to insinuate that a true believer would actually MAKE things up.

The NERVE of some people...

You can't HANDLE the truth!

:rofl:

It also appears that being confronted with truth makes you drunk or something? :shrug:

We lowly atheists bow to your obviously superior truthiness.

It was a dialogue between you and I only. The twisted logic and made up statements came from you alone, and were completely outside any relation of what religious beliefs you have or don't have. It was a discussion between you and I, not me and atheists.

There's some more truth for ya.

Tell me the one about what atheists believe again, daddy!

We just LOVE that one.

While you're in there think about why it's not nice to twist other's words and make things up about them. Then you can come down. Don't be mad, you'll understand when you're older...

We need believers to tell us what we think, remember?

and if you believe in the sheets strongly enough...don't compromise. :hi:

Who Will Be Eaten First?

Print them to 'evangelize' the Word of the Unspeakble One

Then set up a local chapter of Campus Crusade For Cthulu

You can also give out "It FOund Me!" bumper stickers

The music.

The mood.

The Ctuhlu fish!

It's perfect!

It's a great parody of classic Chick Tracts

Thank you!!!

That's why :P

I knew I could count on your support!

:rofl:

Please, enlighten me.

Show me where I made such a blanket assumption.

Not liking religious clubs and such at school, then asking why your kids can't burn crosses at schools.

So maybe I am not getting what you are trying to say - and maybe that is because you made no real effort to spell out what you are trying to say in the OP...

out of. Religious clubs are perfectly legal, and so is this hypothetical club(technically). Just backing up BMUS on this.

I hate it when the reich wing pundits infiltrate DU.

Or given me the benefit of the doubt since we've already agreed about the whole respect the believer thing.

along with a great deal of horror over the next 5-50 years (the high number is exceedingly optimistic, I know, but still possible.

And just let things get VERY economically bad (which seems close to certain within 2-20 years) and we will see the festering blackness of soul that Amerika's Busheviks are harboring, now masked, by and large with the occasional Coulterish exception.

Their fantasies will ultimately become reality. It always happens this way, according to history, and only a handful of very rare, special occasionas did it not. The "reign of demons" Jefferson spoke about the Adams administration, for one, which did indeed end but only because liberty had just been born here and it was not fated to die so young at the hands of these early Busheviks.

After the Civil War was another. Again, young idealistic nation (yes yes I know very well the atrocities that our nation performed, so have all of them and many far worse than we, though it doesn't make any of it right) and a defined period until victory in which civil liberties were suspended...and then restored.

Ours will NEVER be restored unless the Ruling Junta is deposed (I'd say at the ballot box, but heh, that's pretty funny in a tragic "gee there's six hour lines for toilet paper" hangman's fatalistic humor.."at the ballot box" yeah right).

And the War on Terror (actually it is a war against the American People) will NEVER end, unless the Ruling Junta is deposed.

And oh my yes, eventually those poor persecuted Evangelical Christians (not all of them, just the NeoConfederate subgroup) will reclaim those "rights" that the terrible liberals took away.

Like the right to disenfranchise African-Americans by the millions (I now am forced to wonder, did that EVER go away, even for the briefest time?).

Did you ever get my intent.

Thanks for the glimpse into what will be if people don't wake the fuck up and soon.

We'll see how 'respectful' these believers are when they catch a load of this

Richard Dawkins' The Root Of All Evil?

This is an unabashed critique of religion and in Dawkins opnion why it is so dangerous.

We've been beaten up over that more than once here.

The Brits don't have the same "shhhh! Don't upset the believers!" attitude that is so prevalent here.

Critiques like that are perfectly acceptable in the UK.

If that was broadcast on American msm, Home Depot would run out of pitchforks and torches within the hour.

If people want to put their beliefs in the public square and use it to form policy than I, or anyone else, have a right to critique that belief system.

If you can't stand the heat....

On DU you could post it in the R&T forum and hope it doesn't get locked.

But where I live, smart atheists stay in the closet.