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Citrene (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:44 AM Original message |
"The separation of church and state is just a myth" How do you respond? |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. Whose Church Are We Talking About? |
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Oversea Visitor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. Aaaaah? |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
3. So, how's that Paganism workin' out fer ya, then? |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. Here's a good start: |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. That's excellent. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
44. Logically, if the Founding Fathers had wanted "State-Religion", they would |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 05:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
63. Unfortunately, the Right doesn't believe there is a right to privacy |
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Aristus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 03:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
87. That was a very good explanation, ocelot. Thank you. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. How does he mean it's a "myth" -- like Bigfoot? |
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Oversea Visitor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. If it is the same as the Vatican |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
7. A myth? |
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Al-CIAda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
8. Tell him his Jesus on a stick rising from the dead is just a 'myth'. |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
9. Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter... |
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Citrene (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. My brother referenced this. My other younger brother picked up on |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:00 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. They referenced this letter.... |
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Citrene (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:05 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. So I came to DU seeking help. What can I say? Peace? n/t |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:32 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Peace indeed! |
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ninkasi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 04:03 AM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist says... |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:34 AM Original message |
Tell him the phrase "freedom of religion isn't in the constitution either. |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
49. Conversely, freedom of religion sometimes requires freedom from Religion |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 07:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
67. Literalists is just another name for Brain Dead Fool |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 08:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
72. Is your elder brother United Methodist? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
23. The Danbury letter is proof that it was Jefferson's intent |
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TaleWgnDg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
34. indeed . . . the letter of the law, the spirit of the law in America . . . |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
50. rAmen, Counselor! |
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TaleWgnDg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:25 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. a-hem . . . lol . . . n/t |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
43. Insert LOUD applause .... |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:13 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. How ya doing G! |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:23 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Smiles Big .... |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:35 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Girls are spending money... helps the economy.. no? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
11. It hasn't been a myth for 230 years...why now? |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. yeah, because the founders cared nothing about religious freedom |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
13. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 09:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
79. Seems pretty clear to me. |
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gandalfdf (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
14. It is proof |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
15. Give them the facts |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
16. It kinda like judicial review... |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
17. dupe |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
18. The first amendment??? |
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progdonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
19. first, have him actually prove to you that it's not in the Constitution... |
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Kiouni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. I second this |
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FlemingsGhost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
21. The separation of head, from ass, is gonna be difficult. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
22. I'm no constitutional expert, so I can't help you there |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
24. Well, I'm sure you are going to get good answers here .. |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
26. If he is willing to let Church interfere in the government |
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w13rd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I'm considering passing a law... |
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pilgrimm (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
28. read Thomas Paine's The Age Of Reason |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
30. Here are a few links to start with: |
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Citrene (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
31. Thank you all so ever much. As I said, my brother wiped me out. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
47. How did he wipe you out? |
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Citrene (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:25 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. I was unprepared and caught off guard. By his arrogance in his statement |
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Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
32. Jesus is a myth. The separation of church and state is the law. eom |
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Citrene (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Thank you Beam Me Up, you give me peace! n/t |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
35. no separation a MAJOR religious wrong propaganda I first heard |
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lady lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
36. Also, have him read Pres. Carter's new book |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. I was dissapointed that the book... |
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lady lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
81. Me too. But maybe it's just the right length for a wingnut's |
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leftbank (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
38. Mythology |
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Citrene (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:46 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. He meant the current existence between church and state is myth. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:19 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. When it comes to family.... |
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Citrene (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 03:08 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. Thanks. n/t |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 09:19 AM Response to Reply #38 |
80. Does the teaching of Evolution in Public Schools oppress religion? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
40. ask him why the Pilgrims came here |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
45. with derisive laughter |
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TaleWgnDg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
46. I said my fill . . . in post #34 in this thread . . . and give em hell !! |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
52. I like this graphic. (I will also give a link to a recent thread on this) |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:37 AM Response to Original message |
57. if it's a theocracy then it's not a democracy. |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
58. Tell him the government wants him to be at the Wiccan ceremony |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
59. In addition to the above, don't forget the Treaty of Tripoli |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
84. In all fairness, you shoud include ArticleSix of the Constitution... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 05:03 AM Response to Original message |
62. This is a ploy originating with the Religious Right |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
64. Throw the Treaty of Tripoli from 1797 at him |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
65. "either you're a moron or have deep reading comprehension issues." |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
66. The establsihment clause of the first amendment. n/t |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
68. This is SO easy... |
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DelawareValleyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
69. Start with the name Roger Williams |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
70. You got wiped out on that? |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
71. Here is the link to the best website |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
73. Try this: |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
74. Sounds Like Your Brother's Brain Cells Are A Myth |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
75. I would point out that, if you're going on the strictness of the wording |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
76. This website has a section dedicated to the arguments |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
77. it's not a myth, it's one of a handful of noble american concepts... |
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StellaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
78. The Bible is just a myth. |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
82. ZINN, page 83 (paperback) |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
83. Have they ever heard of "case law" |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
85. And if it is, then wouldn't that signify a theocracy? |
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yknot (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
86. Your manhood is a myth eom |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-29-05 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
88. The Establishment Clause? eom |
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