What could happen if ? Martial Law

What scares me is America's just one attack away from that dictatorship.
Think, if 2 major cities are nuked, or a chemical train wreck near a major city,
lost or misplaced microbe's, think 4 cities. Martial Law is around the corner. Now what if it happened?
Bush says: America was attacked again by unknown terrorists.Due to the situation
I am imposing martial law,the following changes will take place immediately.
1. FEMA will assume all responsibilities regarding population control.
2. FEMA will control energy supplies
3. FEMA will control the highways (expect delays due to searches)
4. FEMA will control the air-waves.
5. FEMA will be supported by Dept.Homeland Security and the US Military
6. We will be seeking to temporarily suspend the "Bill of Rights"

America will recover from this horrific attack on our "freedoms" just as we did
after 911 bush says, and in 6 months I will report back to Congress with our reasons for Martial Law..Am I talking "Twilight Zone" stuff?


Feel free to add what my paranoia missed.

Everyone in the United States has a gun and a dictatorship would ruin the economy. I dont think the National Guard or the Military has the temperment to kill it's own citizens. I could be wrong....

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:dunce:

it's from a blogger known as Kate-A, who has three sons in the military and who apparently has some overseas government work in her background as well . . .

About Me
Name:Kate-A
Mother of five (three in military uniform). Grandmother of six. Central America (under Reagan/Bush) - Been there, done that.

anyhow, here's one of her posts from June . . .

Grunt Nation
http://kateablog.blogspot.com/2005/06/grunt-nation.html

(snip)

Two of my three sons believe that if ordered, troops would open fire on fellow Americans. They tell me they know some in uniform who would have no problem shooting their fellow citizens for no other reason than it meant they got to shoot someone. I write this with no intention of denigrating the troops. I have no malice toward the troops as they include my sons. As a society we need to admit who and what we are as a people.

- more . . .

http://kateablog.blogspot.com/2005/06/grunt-nation.html

Iraq is not a righteous war. I didnt support this theft march 19,2003 or today. I urge gopers to demand bush
bring the troops home and give Iraq back to the Iraqi's.

Thanks for the feedback..and the site !! good-looking out

Kate-A has a pretty good blog going on. Thanks for posting it.:hi:

An order to fire is an order. Of course, our kum'mandrr-in-teef would never give such an order. Would he?

Actual, nationwide martial law - soldiers in the streets of all the major cities - is another. This has not happened on any real scale in the United States since the Civil War, and to be perfectly honest I don't think things were quite as tense at times back then as they feel now.

You'll always be able to find some guys willing to shoot at their own, but if it came to a nationwide thing, something that the United States has yet to have seen (and which Canada's experienced, albeit once, briefly and with the cliche civility we tend to have about such things) before, I don't think the military would be as unquestioningly loyal to the president as a lot of people seem to think.

At times it looks vaguely heretical to say it around here, but even soldiers are human beings, and at least some of these guys - more than either folks on DU or in the Pentagon probably want to admit - would take their obligations as soldiers seriously. Those include having to disobey folks up to the CinC at times, because ever since the Second World War an order to fire is not just an order anymore.

Remember, we've already seen units up to at least the company level in Iraq just say "nope!" to orders which were far less controversial than commands to fire on American citizens en masse. If that kind of command was given for anything less than an actual, open insurrection against the government, enough soldiers would balk that those giving the orders would likely have some problems on their hands. Even if there was an insurrection, I think a lot of them would balk.

It wouldn't be very clear-cut at all, I think. In fact, I'm pretty sure it would be vastly messier for both sides than most people would expect. Depending on how it was done, the military would end up in as much chaos as the civilian populace, if not more, and I wouldn't put it past the whole mess to spark a civil war or something. Either way, I can't see meek acquiescence by either side in that situation; it'd be tense enough that a single spark anywhere would make a most satisfying boom, one way or another.

Then again, as someone else said, the military's in the wrong hemisphere, so for the moment the whole thing's kinda moot..

I'm sure the military could do a decent job brainwashing these poor kids into thinking they are fighing a bunch of John Walker Lindhs.

People would grin and flash four fingers and say, "We got four." Of course they would only do that with friends that they already knew held the same views.

Remember - The country is evenly divided and highly polarized.

It's beginning to look like the Bush Cabal has no other choice than to resort to another terror attack. All their usual tactics are just not really working this time and even the MSM seems to be jumping on board the "I" train. Faced with the idea that they could possibly lose their power, I am really scared about what they will come up with next. Isn't that weird, in a "Post 911" world, the only people I'm scared of reside in the White House?

BTW, I am pretty sure there is already a plan in place to suspend the constitution in the case of an emergency. I believe the plan was drawn up during Reagan's presidency. I have to double check on that or if someone else knows the facts more clearly than I do, feel free to correct me on that one.

:tinfoilhat:

The claim to justification is that the terrorists haven't attacked. A major fuck-up will make Bush look incompetant in the middle of an action that would require the deepest loyalty from his forces. But yeah, martial law a messy scenario even if it was Bin Laden behind the attack, because he has worked so hard to lose the trust of so many Americans.

1. FEMA will assume all responsibilities regarding population control.
2. Department of the Interior will control energy supplies
3. Department of Defense will control the highways (expect delays due to searches)
3a.Department of Transportation will control local road
4. DHS will control the air-waves.
5. FEMA will be supported by Dept.Homeland Security and the US Military
6. We will be seeking to temporarily suspend the "Bill of Rights"
7. Borders will close, no one in or out!
8. Police will be given free pass on any abuse
9. Dissent will be stifled
10.Guns will be confiscated.

And civil war will occur after the last one!

martial law.

1. Milk? You kidding? Food supplies are controlled by the government.

2. Food supplies languishing in warehouses because fuel supplies and private transport controlled by the government.

3. The moment you step onto a public street, you will asked to show your identification papers and proof where you're going.

4. Continuous video and audio loop on radio stations and TV networks with the message that "All is well."

It will be state troopers and local police versus the feds and whatever the Pentagon can throw together. A sizable chunk of the miltary will "slow walk" their assignements or just plain disobey orders. Recall that when the Scaiifes and Melons and their like tried to organize a coup against FDR they enlisted a general who was supposed to take FDR's place. He turned them all in. I dont think it was just because FDR was the Commander in Chief. Military people get very antsy about doing weird stuff like overthrowing the US government. The state's national guards are technically under the orders of their governors.

As mentioned above, everyone in America has a gun, and Americans are the angry, outspoken, unruly refugees of the rest of the world. We dont follow orders, and we dont goosestep.

There is a big chunk of the economy including companies like GE (read MSNBC and NBC) which will not go along with the plan because it will be bad for their business. ABC and a few of the entertainment media intensive news networks will also have cows 'cause it will cut into their revenue. Then there is the world wide web. So there will not be any media lock down. Cant have a miltary coup without that.


MAYBE Bush and Co. can find some out of the way place in the US to declare a tiny little bit of martial law and then try to spread it outward from there. However, the surrounding states will have their eyes peeled for any signs of encroachment.


If President Dick Cheney is dreaming of a nationwide military coup, he should wake up. He is better off letting Karl Rove spend the Katrina Reconstruction Fund of the 2006 Congressional Election and hoping that a combination of illegal campaign contributions and electronic vote fraud keep at least one body of Congress under GOP control.

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These stories help intensify my paranoia..

thanks for the feedback though...

"Martial law" isn't like something from the movies. It's been happening all around us under the Bush administration - but we don't notice because we're waiting to see "troops on the street corners."

Martial "law" is about "law." The same police forces you see in your community, the same courts that exist today, would just be enforcing new laws. (Think imprisonment without charges.)

It's like the story of the frog in boiling water. If you toss one in, it'll try to jump out. If you keep one in lukewarm water, but slowly keep turning up the heat, it'll fry without ever noticing the difference in temperatures.

I think that's what it's about.

I was beginning to think I was the only one. So many people here seem to get their information from some really bad movies.

'... (M)artial law is the suspension of civil authority and the imposition of military authority. When we say a region or country is "under martial law," we mean to say that the military is in control of the area, that it acts as the police, as the courts, as the legislature. The degree of control might vary - a nation may have a civilian legislature but have the courts administered by the military. Or the legislature and courts may operate under civilian control with a military ruler. In each case, martial law is in effect, even if it is not called "martial law."'

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html

(On edit: unless you want to consider the suspension of habeas corpus for certain individuals as prima facie evidence that martial law has been declared for all...)

was pretty close to your line of thought.

George says everything's gonna' be alright... everything's gonna' be alright... in 2004 - what he calls the Federal Emergency Management "Association". Can't even get the name right...

Taft has a Republican-sponsored bill on his desk, ready for him to sign into (martial) law . . .

The Ohio Patriot act allows the arrest of anybody who doesn't show his or her "papers" - ID - on demand of a policeman, with no probable cause whatsoever.

Gee, I would think that the mere presence of a police person would cause a "criminal" to start behaving within the legal system (unless he/she's a Repuke) . . . much more than the "stone tablets" down in the middle of town on public land around the courthouse . . .

produce papers or "go to jail" until the police can identify who you are. Will Taft the scumbag sign that bill? Will that bill wind its way to other major cities? What happened to America?

thanks for the feedback though,I become more paranoid during the late hours of night with each passing day.

is the only thing that is going to get the right to see, forceful loss of all right. and seems to be the extreme we have to got to for people to become aware. big ole mess...... and then, we can start correcting, healing, implementing law on insisting what must be to preserve out freedoms. sooner we do this, sooner we get done. a dictatorship will not last in this country i dont believe.

Rather than be a primarily set piece civil war like the last one was, this will be a much more insidious, free flow civil war, more akin to what happened in Missouri during the first Civil War. It will be neighbor against neighbor, family member against family member, a war of terrorist acts and insurgency, much like in Iraq.

Any set piece battle would be overwhelmed by whomever has the air and nuclear power, and thus citizen armies won't be put in such situations. Instead people will commit their own acts of rebellion and war, setting off bombs, taking pot shots at authority figures, etc. etc. It will be long, bloody and brutal, and we as a country may not survive it.

Sad to say, given the current public and political climate, I don't think that we're going to be able to avoid it either.

...would demand Martial Law from the gov't, which would be happy to oblige the people.

at least not in NYC anyway. Maybe the sheep who reside in "red states" would permit Martial Law but NYC is another animal. Since the RNC held their convention in the City last year spying on peaceful activists has intensified. They (NYPD) infiltrate bicycle groups (Critical Mass)arrest bike riders, disrupt people who gather to lambast bush's america and the severe loss of freedoms since 911.
Where you from Silverhair?

thanks for the feedback though.

And an American city getting nuked would panic lots of people, including NYC. When people are scared shitless, they want firm leadership, not a debating society. Sorry, but that is just the way people are.

when we're nuked are you going to pledge your undivided loyalty to george lihop bush. I sure hope you dont.
If freeps/gopers and any other supporter of gwb wants and feels safe with bush so be it,my best guess is we
dems wont. I'm not looking for an argument but I do enjoy the feedback..
Thanks friend,...

And a nuke is a whole different ball game than 911 was. Look at how people reacted after Pearl Harbor. Before it, the country was deeply divided about entry into the war. After it, the vote was unanimous in the Senate and only one dissenting vote in the House. It was the end of her political career too. He own district was bitterly against her after that. The attack unified Americans, and those few who were against the war after that, learned to shut up.

That is just one example. A nuke on an American city would have people demanding strong firm leadership. Any party or group that wanted to offer people a debating society would not have followers. That is the reality of the way people are.

You seem to be making the mistake many here make of thinking that everybody else is just like those of us who post to DU. They are not. We are exceptions.

Chertoff. :scared: :hide:

With enemies as incompetent as FEMA, who needs friends?

its not FEMA per se but the US Military working along side UN troops
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This group combined with PNAC, a merging of "One World Order" with
"New World Order" something is wrong here..


thanks for the chuckle