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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:38 AM
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National Commander of the American Legion caught lying about Vietnam service
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 09:38 AM by wicket
Turns out the closest he got to Vietnam was New Jersey. Unbelievable! :grr:

Legion chief alters line on war service

When Paul A. Morin, the national commander of the American Legion, sought election to the office in August, he described himself in the lead sentence of his campaign biography as a "Vietnam veteran of the US Army." Since he was elected Aug. 31, the Legion's website has featured the same description.

And when Morin testified before the House Veterans' Affairs Committee Sept. 20, US Representative Steve Buyer , Republican of Indiana, introduced him as an Army veteran of Vietnam. Morin registered no objection, according to the hearing transcript.

And three months ago, Morin said he hopes that servicemen returning from Iraq will be treated better than those who returned from Vietnam. "When we came home, life was a little different. We do not want to see any veteran ever returning to what we did, so we'll be there to be welcoming them home with open arms," Morin said, according to a transcript of his interview with the Pentagon Channel , the Defense Department's television network.

But the only place Morin ever returned from was Fort Dix, N.J. According to his military records, Morin spent his entire two years of Army service, from 1972 to 1974, at that Army training base . In fact, before he sought the coveted one-year term as national president of the country's largest veterans' organization, Morin was content to be known as a "Vietnam-era" veteran -- a signal to other veterans that he did not serve in Vietnam.

Morin, in a telephone interview on Thursday, defended his decision to describe himself as a Vietnam veteran when he ran for Legion president. Neither the US government nor the Legion itself makes a formal distinction between veterans who served in Vietnam and those, like himself, who did not.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:42 AM
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1. As a Vietnam vet I have a little bit of empathy for this guy. I think because of the war in Iraq
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 09:46 AM by Mountainman
and all the bullshit patriotism that has surrounded it, he probably felt left out of the picture. But on the other hand he is a lying piece of shit!

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:47 AM
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3. Since they have been at the forefront of demonizing anyone who dares speak out
Against this war, it is hard to be too sympathetic. They have told their own members (ex members in most of our cases) to STFU, that we couldn't be good Americans if we exercised our rights.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:50 AM
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4. This week's new poster boy for the Right Wing Culture of Corruption
Morin, a true moran if ever there was one, is a reactionary turd who deserves every bit of ridicule and invective that comes his way for being a lying liar who lies.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:15 PM
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29. I'm a Vietnam ERA VET. I never pretended to be something
I'm not. Myself, as a member of the American Legion, I think this bastard should resign in shame!
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:45 AM
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2. Neither the US government nor the Legion itself...
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 09:47 AM by ret5hd
makes a formal distinction between veterans who served in Vietnam and those, like himself, who did not.


well, uhhhhmmm...what the hell is this, then???


on edit: or this:
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:59 AM
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5. Talking about joining qualifications
For the Amer Legion you need to be in one of the services during those periods of conflict designated by congress. To join the VFW, you had to be in the theatre of the conflict, or be at the battle areas. I was in the Navy for four years at the beginning of the Vietnam period(active duty '60-64)so I could join the Legion, but there were no conflicts involving the Atlantic fleet during the time I served, so could not join VFW.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:47 PM
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21. But he said "when WE returned from Vietnam..." Lies.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:12 AM
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6. The US gov't very definitely makes a distinction
They're called the Vietnam Service Medal and the Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal. If Morin ever wore them, then he broke the law. If he didn't and no one noticed ???
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:16 AM
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7. Good Call
This one struck a nerve. I have heard guys say they are 'viet nam era vets' to people who don't know it means they weren't there, and every time I hear it I want to kick the person who said it right square in the balls.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:36 AM
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10. I love the tap dance that there's no difference between
serving in the theater and serving during the era. So, that paper cut I got at March Plane Patch in '67 entitles me to the PH?

If you ever need anyone to hold 'em down while you're kicking, I volunteer.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:13 PM
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17. I AM a "Vietnam Era" vet.....
and mostly discuss the military with other military guys...they know what that means.But I generally mention I was in the "Condo Army" (Ft.Carson-volar base) and defended Colorado.I have WAY too much respect for my combat vet older brother (101st '70-'71) to imply I was in his class.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:18 PM
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18. Yeah, most of us from that time are very careful to make the
distinction.

What I can't figure is how Morin thought he'd get away with it unless he's one of these headquarters types who never mingles with the lower classes. If so, maybe it never sunk in that it's a touchy subject with the rank and file or he really is a Bush wannabe -- "who cares what you think".
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:19 AM
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8. Mac Clelend gives him hell:
From the article:

Former US Senator Max Cleland of Georgia, who lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam, and who has been a Legion member since 1969, expressed concern in an interview on Friday that by inflating his résumé, Morin has undercut the credibility of veterans' groups as they seek congressional support for underfunded veterans' programs.

"For the national commander of the American Legion, who never even served in the Vietnam theater, to call himself a Vietnam veteran is a lie," Cleland said.

Cleland, who headed the Veterans Administration during the Carter administration, expressed incredulity at Morin's and March's justification for the claim. "This is the American Legion hierarchy changing the rules in the middle of the game, solely to try to cover the of the national commander now that he's become an embarrassment to the organization," Cleland said.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:29 AM
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9. Wasn't this the Veteran's organization that would not back Duckworth?
A real War Veteran......I have lost all respect for American Legion now VFW on the other hand....
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 04:02 PM
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24. VFWPAC gave money to candidates who did not serve, over candidates
Who did serve. Yes, like Duckworth.

Also money has gone to Vets who do not vote like vets. Like Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen of NJ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_HTcg3YAm4
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:39 AM
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11. How pathetic.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:41 AM
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12. This Am. Legion? - American Legion to Sen. Kerry: Apologize Now
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 10:57 AM by Cerridwen

INDIANAPOLIS, October 31, 2006 - The National Commander of The American Legion called on Sen. John Kerry to apologize for suggesting that American troops in Iraq are uneducated.

“As a constituent of Senator Kerry’s I am disappointed. As leader of The American Legion, I am outraged,” said National Commander Paul A. Morin. “A generation ago, Sen. Kerry slandered his comrades in Vietnam by saying that they were rapists and murderers. It wasn’t true then and his warped view of today’s heroes isn’t true now.”

While addressing a group of college students at a campaign rally in Pasadena, CA., Monday, Kerry suggested that they receive an education or “if you don’t, you’ll get stuck in Iraq.”
“While The American Legion shares the senator’s appreciation for education, the troops in Iraq represent the most sophisticated, technologically superior military that the world has ever seen,” Morin said. “I think there is a thing or two that they could teach most college professors and campus elitists about the way the world works.

“And while we are on the topic of education, why doesn’t the senator and his comrades in Congress improve the GI Bill so all of today’s military members – reserves and guard included – can achieve the educational aspirations that the senator so highly values?” Morin said. “The senator’s false and outrageous attack was over-the-top and he should apologize now.”

The 2.7-million member American Legion, www.legion.org, is the nation’s largest veterans organization.


Hmmmmm, National Commander Paul A. Morin owes a few apologies now, it seems.

edit: Freudian typo and some emphasis and a snark

Kerry went to Vietnam. This guy not only didn't go, he then lied about his service and took a prominant role in a Veteren's organization and then used his position to criticize a vet who went. Every time I hear a vet "swiftboat" another vet, I wonder what the vet doing the "swiftboating" is hiding about his/her own service. Now I know what "National Commander" Paul A. Morin is hiding while he plays at being tough guy G.I. Joe. BTW, his name is just too perfect for this board.

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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:43 AM
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13. No,.....That's not true There is the Vietnam era and Vietnam Veteran
a large number of Veterans that are Legion members are VFW members. As national commander he no doubt held local positions and district positions (usually a requirement before serving at any national level)So if he falsely claimed to have served,this claim should have been questioned long before becoming national commander.
This is just a very embarrassing situation for him and nothing more.
He is obviously a loyal Republican.

What I am wondering is when a veteran first applies for membership he must present documents for proof of military service.These documents would have confirmed whether or not he served in a war.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:44 AM
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14. I complained to the Legion's national office when he continuted to
make political statements backing the Shrubbites. I don't remember the specific issue, a couple of months back (I've called both the VFW and Legion to complain over the years). But it's amazing that somebody could get to that level without being vetted. Or rather, it's amazing that an a-hole can perform such fraud and believe he can get away with it.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:48 AM
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15. My 'nam vet friends don't much like claimers. The "Ft. Dix Offensive"
was a little different "to come home from" than Tet. Morin should resign as gracefully a possible.

The odds are now 100 to 1 that this guy is a registered republican.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 04:22 PM
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26. I'd give it 1000 to 1
:evilgrin:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 12:03 AM
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34. LOL
ya you KNOW that lying bastard is a repuke - yes INDEED
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:55 AM
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16. I have run across more than a few idiots like this over the years n/t
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:34 PM
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19. One Hardly Knows Whether To Laugh Or To Cry, Ma'am
"What a nimrod! What a ultra-maroon!"
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:43 PM
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20. republicon liars. What corrupt losers the cons are
A pack of dishonorable chickenhawks who try to smear real honorable vets.

Can you go any lower?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 01:54 PM
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22. I thought the whole idea behind the legion was that members had served in
a foreign war.

I guess, like this guy, I'm a Gulf War I "era" veteran. :rofl:
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:01 PM
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23. So, his entire military "career" consisted of two years in New Jersey?
And he's now coming across like some ferocious war-torn GI Joe with this "we" stuff? He should be forced to resign immediately.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 05:29 PM
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27. He would not even have served those two years if he hadn't been drafted first...
The Chickenhawk opted for a two year enlistment in the Army in June 1972 to avoid the draft and certain deployment to Vietnam. Ironically, Nixon announced later that same month that no more draftees would be sent to Vietnam.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 04:07 PM
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25. When you become a political tool, you become a target.
He has ruined the Legion with his radical right-wing politics.

Typical REMF right-wing scumbag "war veteran."
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 09:51 PM
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28. kick
:kick:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:18 PM
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30. uummmmmm... "Morin" ? No foolin'? nt
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:27 PM
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31. "I've been to war and I've raised twins"; another liar.
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 10:31 PM by LynnTheDem
George w. bush.

Interesting how the little men like bush & Moran feel the need to lie about their (non-existant) military service.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:34 PM
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32. From what I've seen of the American legion and the VFW,
over the years, is that they seem to do more for right-wing causes, rather than for veterans, combat or otherwise.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 10:38 PM
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33. That's because these organizations have been ruled by guys
like Paul A. Morin...
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 09:42 AM
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35. I concur
That's been my impression too.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 09:50 AM
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36. Send him to Baghdad on the next plane...
Three hitches with extensions in the Greed Zone, will put some hair on his chest!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 09:52 AM
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37. i see the vetting process is officially dead.
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