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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:21 PM
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Help! Mom! There's a Lao Tze Under My Bed!
Edited on Mon Dec-04-06 11:57 PM by drm604
Katharine DeBrecht, the author of conservative children's books including "Help! Mom! There are Liberals Under My Bed!" recently wrote a rather ridiculous column for the Green Bay Press Gazette titled America's liberals can't have it both ways. It's a typical conservative attack on a number of ridiculous straw-men. Here's an example.
I came across a bumper sticker the other day while Christmas shopping that proudly proclaimed "Jesus was a liberal." Of course, this gave me great pause. If Jesus was a liberal, you might as well forget Joseph. Jesus would have had two mommies. He certainly would not have advocated teaching a man to fish to eat for life, rather to give a man a fish each day because the man would never amount to anything anyway.

The bit about two mommies is, of course, idiotic. But the fish story is especially interesting. For one thing, liberals are strong supporters of education and job training so, contrary to what she claims, they would strongly agree with the idea of teaching the man to fish. But that's not the most interesting part. What's interesting is that the quote about teaching a man to fish is not from the Bible, as this online Bible search shows. It has, however, often been attributed (perhaps incorrectly) to the Chinese mystic philosopher Lao Tze.
Perhaps this good conservative Christian woman needs to read more Bible and less Chinese mystic philosophy. :rofl:

On Edit: Changed some wording to indicate that the attribution to Lao Tze is uncertain.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:27 PM
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1. HAH!
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:27 PM
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2. I don't think Laozi actually said that.
I translated the DDJ a while back, and that phrase didn't appear, nor did anything like it. A google search backs me up, as does a ctrl-F on both my translation and a couple other ones. And just to be sure, a search on the original Chinese. I think it's one of those wise-sounding anonymous sayings that we like to attribute to famous people.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:32 PM
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5. Fair enough.
My Google search did find several instances of it being attributed to Laozi. but reading through that wikiquote page more closely I see that it implies that the attribution isn't really proven.

But it's still true that it is NOT from the bible.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:34 PM
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6. Absolutely, and that's the important part here.
Making up Bible quotes is ridiculous.

(sorry for the pedantry; as you might have surmised, I'm a bit of an amateur scholar when it comes to China)
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:39 PM
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10. No apology necessary.
I don't want to go around unknowingly spreading untruths. But it's a shame that Lao Tze (or Laozi, or whatever) didn't say it, because I was kind of proud of my subject line.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:40 PM
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11. Yeah, it is one of the nicer ones.
Lured me in, at any rate.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 01:14 AM
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13. DDJ = Dr. Dobbs Journal?
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 01:17 AM by bananas
Running light without overbyte?

edit: IIRC, "Dr. Dobbs Journal of Computer Calisthenics and Orthodontia"

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:28 PM
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3. And while we are at it, let's not even get INTO that whole Virgin Birth thing
Jeeeeesus' 'daddy' wasn't that Joe guy, so he was hardly from a typical family of the time!!! He may not have had two mommies, but he didn't have a daddy to speak of!

This story amuses, though, because it illustrates the absolute certainty with which these Coulteresque asshats make completely bullshit pronouncements, and it also demonstrates how poorly educated they are, though they don't let a lousy education stop them from shooting off at the mouth!
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:32 PM
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4. Does this woman think us all 'homosexual terrorists who want to
burn the flag and smoke dope in her church'?

Stupid twat...
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:35 PM
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7. That woman is a fool...Jesus fed a great number of people some fish
on a very famous occasion, when he also made some highly interesting remarks, which did NOT include learning to fish to eat for life.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:38 PM
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9. Oh, I'm sure he gave them free fish with the stipulation
that they pay him for it afterwards. It was just a credit-type thing. No payments for six weeks, you know how they do. He would never advocate charity.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:37 PM
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8. Its an old saying, but not Lao Tzu's
The only writing we have concerning Lao Tzu is the Tao Te Ching. And according to legend it wasn't even penned by him but instead dictated to a guard as Lao left to place himself in self imposed exile. And I don't recall seeing anything like that in any of the translations of the Tao Te Ching.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 11:41 PM
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12. See post #5. n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 01:31 AM
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14. It seems to me that God did "forget Joseph" since it was said to be a virgin birth.
It seems particularly addled of Ms. DeBrecht to overlook this particular facet of her other "Savior's" birth. She's probably insane.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 01:35 AM
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15. Depends on what you are reading
Keep in mind there is an argument that the virgin birth thing is the result of a translation mistake. The word used to define Mary likely meant a young woman of marrying age. Not a virgin. Of course this issue is still quite controvercial so as I said, it depends on what you are reading.
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