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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 06:48 AM
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AP: NYC to Ban Trans Fats From Eateries
NYC to Ban Trans Fats From Eateries


Tuesday December 5, 2006 10:46 AM

By SARA KUGLER

Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - From the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries, New York
City's world famous eateries are preparing for kitchen scrutiny as the
board of health moves to ban trans fats.

The board was poised on Tuesday to make New York the nation's first city
to outlaw the unhealthy oils, though it's expected to give restaurants
a slight break by relaxing what had been considered a tight deadline
for compliance.

The restaurant industry argued that it was unrealistic to give eateries
six months to replace cooking oils and shortening and 18 months to phase
out the ingredients altogether.

-snip-

Trans fats are believed to be harmful because they contribute to heart
disease by raising bad cholesterol and lowering good cholesterol at the
same time. Some experts say that makes trans fats worse than saturated
fats.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6259664,00.html
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 07:56 AM
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1. hitler too demanded his nation on a health routine. ah the dictators
welcome....
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 09:09 AM
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2. transfats are artificial fats that have a serious health impact
possibly because they are man-made and our bodies did not evolve to handle them. They are much worse for you than the fats in butter or beef. Complaining about their removal from our food supply is like complaining about removing lead from paint or gasoline.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:52 AM
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5. How do you feel about San Francisco requiring businesses that contract
with the city to offer benefits to same-sex partners, if they offer them to married couples.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:53 AM
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7. I don't know what to think here...
A) I'm somebody who is overweight, and with the help of a dietician, I've revamped my diet to avoid places which have really bad foods. (Fast Food joints.) I've naturally lost weight as a result, and I feel great not having those crappy foods in my diet.

but

B) To make that into law? I don't know. It feels draconian. It feels wrong. It feels as though my beloved city is thinking for me. I just don't like that this is going to be the law of the city.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:55 AM
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9. Trans fat is not a real food. It is an artificial substance created to replace real fat.
You are better off eating lard than artificial trans fats.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 11:56 AM
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14. I don't eat either now...
I stick to healthy foods or all natural foods. That's the point of my post. I made that decision myself. I didn't need my government to make it for me. :) I know that eating healthy is important, but should we require it? I'm just not that comfortable with that level of lawmaking, I suppose.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 12:43 PM
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17. There's a difference tho. They are outlawing a man-made, harmful, artificial substance
it's not like outlawing butter. this substance has been foisted on the public without regard for it's safety.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 01:16 PM
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19. I know...
I'm not intentionally being argumentative about this, as I know how bad that stuff is for you. I think that there should be a huge push for education about this type of food. I am still making my mind up about this, and I am not saddened that the food at restaurants in NYC will become slightly healthier. This type of legislation makes me uncomfortable, however, and I'm still trying to determine the pros and cons of such legislation. I am aware that healthy eating is a big pro. :)


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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 01:25 PM
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21. It's outlawing margarine - the cheap alternative to butter.
Splenda is also artificial and not particularly healthy, but it's very helpful to diabetics.

Food dyes are also artificial and not particularly healthy, but it's pleasing to use.

I dislike the use of fake fats, but seems excessive to ban it just because it's artificially-made or unhealthy.


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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:55 AM
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10. Businesses shouldn't have the rights of citizens.
I don't think you should be prohibited from eating anything you like.

Businesses can be prohibited from selling certain things.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:53 AM
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8. While I agree that Bloomberg is a dictator (see, Republican Convention 2004)
This is a brilliant thing to do. I have been watching out for trans fats since I read this article in 2001.



http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_03_05_a_fries.htm

<snip> But in 1990, in the face of public concern about the health risks of cholesterol in animal-based cooking oil, McDonald's and the other major fast-food houses switched to vegetable oil. That wasn't an improvement, however. In the course of making vegetable oil suitable for deep frying, it is subjected to a chemical process called hydrogenation, which creates a new substance called a trans unsaturated fat. In the hierarchy of fats, polyunsaturated fats--the kind found in regular vegetable oils--are the good kind; they lower your cholesterol. Saturated fats are the bad kind. But trans fats are worse: they wreak havoc with the body's ability to regulate cholesterol.

According to a recent study involving some eighty thousand women, Walter Willett, an epidemiologist at Harvard--who helped design the study--estimates that the consumption of trans fats in the United States probably causes about thirty thousand premature deaths a year.

McDonald's and the other fast-food houses aren't the only purveyors of trans fats, of course; trans fats are in crackers and potato chips and cookies and any number of other processed foods. Still, a lot of us get a great deal of our trans fats from French fries, and to read the medical evidence on trans fats is to wonder at the odd selectivity of the outrage that consumers and the legal profession direct at corporate behavior. McDonald's and Burger King and Wendy's have switched to a product, without disclosing its risks, that may cost human lives. What is the difference between this and the kind of thing over which consumers sue companies every day?



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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 01:41 PM
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22. Time to open a restaurant in Hoboken or Jersey City
near the PATH.

Who knows, maybe more NYC'ers will discover the Iron-Bound section of Newark?
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 02:15 PM
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25. I'm getting tired of Bloomberg's "Nanny State-ism"
I am no fan of trans-fats and don't eat fast food at all, but there is something about governmental paternalism that leaves me with an uneasy feeling. It started with cigarettes, now it's trans-fats -where does it end?

Of course, it's the slippery slope argument all over again, but the point is that we are allowing the government to slowly chip away at our liberties - even if those liberties are "bad for us." What if the same things starts happening with alcohol, sugar, bike riding, internet use, etc...?

One day we will wake up and realize that we are no longer in charge of our own lives, but by then it will be too late.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 02:18 PM
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26. I really don't see what personal liberty this chips away at.
There is a vast array of materials that restaurants can't legally feed to customers.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 02:23 PM
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28. why can't government laws be overturned via democratic action?
the status quo of taxes are under constant attack by Republicans, land use and conservation measures can be modified by public referendum and someone is always attempting modify drug laws for better or worse.

I reject the idea that the direction of government is one-way or that the "slippery slope" is one of a constant grade. Certain measures of intrusion approach asymptotic impossibility when opposed by sufficient numbers. If no one objects to a slippery slope it is because they adapted to the new paradigm and thusly are not cognoscente of any loss. Only a disinterested third party could thusly comment on any perceived "loss".
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 09:12 AM
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3. And the slope gets slippery
It will not stop with ciggs or trans-fats, they will continue to make many decisions because we let them.....
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:48 AM
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4. transfats are pure poison
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 10:49 AM by wuushew
if you believe the government has the right to regulate food at all this is the area which it should.

There is no benefit to eating any amount of transfat so it is in no way analogous to over eating or poorly balanced diets. Transfats are a creation which enable higher profits. It is just another example of business externalizing costs yet again. Somebody still pays the bill on the medical or job productivity loss side.

people > profits.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 02:41 PM
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29. Do people even realize how common trans-fats are?
In practically every processed food!
(hint: partially hydrogenated means trans-fat)

Cookies, crackers, butter-alternatives---almost all have trans fats. It's dificult to buy even tortilla chips sans trans-fats. Ironically, the inexpensive, local Mexican brands are the best bet.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 05:45 PM
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30. Crisco is trans-fat
I remember my mother using it in certain baked goods.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:53 AM
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6. You mean like prohibiting use of asbestos?
That's some slope.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 11:17 AM
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11. They made the decision for you when they substituted fake trans fats for real fat
Nobody consulted you then, when industry switched over from real, natural fats to artificially created trans fats.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 12:47 PM
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18. Can you imagine if trans fats were a medication and they had to warn
customers in commercials about the potential side effects.

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 11:28 AM
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12. Instead of banning, maybe warning labels could be posted?
That's what we do with cigarettes and alcohol. As a consumer, I personally don't care if a restaurant puts crap in the food just as long as I am completely informed of what it is and how much is there. From there, I'll make my own decisions.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 11:48 AM
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13. How can everyone be completely informed all the time?
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 11:51 AM by wuushew
Children, the elderly or non-english speaking tourists may only become aware of the danger after ingesting food sold in New York.

People generally don't want to be poisoned, and since the government shares this aspiration it is in a better position to enact the shared consensus of society. There is no case where transfats "may" be harmful nor are there recommended daily allowances. All tranfat is harmful to human health and in no way enhances the texture or flavor of food.

There is much more ambiguity than the clear warnings put cigarettes. Cigarettes cary additional restrictions on sale and availability to minors. Food is generally sold to anyone with legal tender.
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beth9999 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 11:57 AM
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15. Well, they can cart me off to jail now...
... because I'm still going to eat my french fries and stuff.
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BlueAlert Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 12:34 PM
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16. Thanks to the new law...
You can now enjoy your french fries w/o the trans fats!
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beth9999 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 01:55 PM
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23. Except that...
... I like them the way they are. So, they can start hauling me off to jail now... I'm still going to eat and cook french fries any darn way I like.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 02:05 PM
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24. You specifically prefer the taste of transfat to natural animal or vegtable oil?
:shrug:

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 02:18 PM
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27. I guess I missed the part that saidyou can't cook your own french
fries the way you like.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 01:23 PM
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20. I make a really good low-fat pizza with no trans fats
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 01:23 PM by Solly Mack
and very little saturated fat

Yes, it involves "fake" meat and low-fat cheese.....and a soy/wheat crust

Maybe I need to open up a pizzeria in NYC. There seems to be a niche...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 05:58 PM
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31. Time to go back to lard & butter..and MODERATION
you know.. like people USED to eat?

Every meal was not deepfried.. Pie & cookies & cakes were a TREAT..so were soda-pop, chips etc.

Lunch meats were usually for picnics and the occasional lunchbox sandwich.

Bread was supposed to get stale.. that's how you knew when to turn it into breadcrumbs for meatloaf or stuffing.

The bones/fat/scraps from meats were boiled (rendered) to make soup stock, to use up the leftover veggies and roast beef/chicken,turkey etc.


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