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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 04:24 PM Original message |
Iraqi poets have called it: Their Country is Finished |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. That is beyond sad. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. This is what happens when you go into a country not knowing |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I don't think we're responsible |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Iraq was controlled by a butcher dictator who was secular |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. We also lit the match. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. It wouldn't be the first thing |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Not a holy historical site. nt |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Do you know that the Lakota Sioux consider the Black Hills to be a "holy historical site?" |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Well, I'd say the entire Shi'ite world and all ancient historians |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. So I guess it's okay that the U.S. destroyed the Lakota Sioux's holy historical site? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. No, I am asking for CONCRETE evidence that the Americans |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. please see post #31 |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. :sigh: |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Sigh what? What evidence have YOU or anyone in this thread |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. Well, "our people" bombed the shit out of a city of 8 million... |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Fallujah is (was?) called "The City of Mosques" |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Sure. I can't figure out how anybody who sees the fact "we" invaded |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Stick to criticizing the invasion and the Battle of Fallujah, then. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. there was evidence at the time to suggest it was a sophisticated operation |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. You mean, like maybe Ba'athist or al Qaeda sophisticated? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. It was more than one article in Newsweek -- several reports were published |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I read Zeyad, and if you notice, he refers to it as "conspiracy |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:26 PM Original message |
you are mischaracterizing what he actually says |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
38. Well, a GENERAL feeling of despair is quite different from |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Did anybody say they did? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
41. Sorry, you misunderstand -- Iraq the Model is the Pajamas Media |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #28 |
52. I didn't specify Americans - I, obviously, have no solid |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. The Wahabbis did it -- they think the Shi'ites are as bad as the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I don't understand how you can say that we don't bear |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Well, don't forget the Ottomans and the Brits if you're going to |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
51. one would hope that 'we' who call ourselves |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. "a country that insists on governing itself according to a radical religion" ??? |
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Ignacio Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Iraq was created arbitrarily by the British out of three Ottomon province |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. yes, "consensually formed itself" except for the native peoples and black slaves |
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Ignacio Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Well, out of those who had the "right" to create a nation-state |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. women didn't have any rights in the matter, either |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Just like the rest of Europe was at the time. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. If America is an ideal, then why do you care what Europe was doing? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Interesting -- where did I ever say "hate America" in any of my posts? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. "Unbelieveable what you guys think of your own country" |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I am also aware of the terrible things that happened in Vietnam |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 08:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. So you understand death squads & their divide and conquer purpose and so forth |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. And where is there corroborating evidence that Americans were there? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. it only looks like a disaster to us, and, of course, the Iraqis |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
53. not to mention the people of the southwest, whose lands were |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. many of the iraqi bloggers have left iraq |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Oh, yes -- The Kid is now in Jordan. Many Iraqi bloggers are there |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
33. not a lot of iraqi bloggers like him either |
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MazeRat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. Sad, but on the positive... at least they still "have" poets.... -nt |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Exactly -- they also have bloggers even if most of them are out of |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
27. If it was written in Arabic, why does it rhyme in English? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Here is what The Kid said about that: |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-05-06 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
48. what this says to me is |
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