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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:36 PM
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James Moore won't say "pussy."
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 08:37 PM by Eric J in MN
On "Countdown" just now, author James Moore said that George W. Bush says he talks to his father about "baseball and girls" and that George W. Bush used an unflattering word for girls.

James Moore was avoiding directly describing this exchange:

Question: "When you're not talking about politics, what do you and your father talk about?"
Bush: "Pussy."
To David Fink of the Hartford Courant, at the 1988 Republican Convention, Salon, 9th April 2000


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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:37 PM
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1. Saw that but figured they'd prolly have bleeped it anyway...
?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:41 PM
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3. I'm not aware of MSNBC being on delay,
...although it's possible.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:23 PM
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25. Fairly certain that there is at least a slight (7 second) delay at all stations.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:37 PM
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2. I'm glad Moore won't say it and am not surprised Bush does. nt
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:42 PM
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7. I don't want James Moore to use it offensively, but...
...I don't think it's offensive to directly quote the president being crude before office.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 11:18 PM
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30. Eric, there is a lot of pressure these days on TV and radio outlets to
maintain standards of decency. Even "sexual innuendo" can be a problem that results in huge fines. Perhaps James Moore didn't want to get MSNBC into "hot water" with the FCC. That could be one of the reasons he didn't want to use the word. One of our local reviewers just went to a radio station's Sunday event, at a local "alternative" station, which was to try and explain the FCC rules to volunteers.

Here's a brief abstract:

The FCC’s indecency standard is both amorphous and complex. This memo gives some guidance as to its meaning by analyzing the definition of indecency and summarizing FCC rulings. In 1987, the FCC replaced its “seven dirty words” indecency standard with a “generic” definition of indecency. Since then, the Commission has levied indecency fines mounting to millions of dollars. Recent fines have been as high as $755,000, and pending legislation could push the maximum fine to $3 million or more. Indecent speech is speech protected by the First Amendment. Courts have ruled that indecency can be “channeled” but not banned. The FCC implements this distinction by enforcing its indecency policy betweenthe hours of 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. The hours between 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. are regarded as a “safeharbor” period during which indecent material may be aired without FCC sanction.

WHAT DOES THE FCC CONSIDER TO BE “INDECENT”?

The FCC considers a broadcast to be indecent if it contains “language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory activities or organs.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

The FCC considers three factors in determining whether material is indecent. The first factor is the explicitness or graphic nature of the material. The issue is whether, in context, the material depicts or describes sexual or excretory organs or activities. Because the meaning of works or images is not always clear, and because the definition of indecency encompasses innuendo and double-entendre, the Commission first seeks to determine whether material has an “unmistakably” sexual or excretory meaning. The second factor is whether the material dwells on or repeats sexual or excretory matters at length. This factor has been virtually eliminated by the FCC’s ruling that Bono’s use of the “F” word during the Golden Globe awards was actionably indecent, even though the word was used only in “isolated” and “fleeting” circumstances. The third factor is whether the material panders, titillates or is used for shock value. It is not necessary that material satisfy all three factors. For example, material that has an “unmistakably sexual” meaning may be indecent even if it is not titillating or pandering in nature.

More at link: http://www.nfcb.org/resources/intro_indecency.pdf
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liberalEd Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:41 PM
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4. Gosh, what a classy family those Bushes are!
:sarcasm:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:42 PM
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6. Yes, that's why all the "Christians" love them so much
:eyes:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:43 PM
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9. How can one family be so full of assholes?
:shrug:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:46 PM
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10. what makes it even more classy-
since both men are obviously upstanding monogomous christians- the only pussy they could each talk about to the other would be that of their respective wives...so poppy gets to talk to * about babs nasty trench, and * gets to give poppy the 4-1-1 about his daughter-in-laws love gutter.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:56 PM
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13. I didn't think about the fact the Geroge W. was already married
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 08:56 PM by Eric J in MN
...to Laura by 1988.

Maybe George W. was referring to having affairs.

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:17 PM
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21. Oh, my, how vivid! nt
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 09:11 PM
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16. And "Christian"! nt
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:42 PM
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5. And your point is???
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:42 PM
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8. My point is that I would have preferred James Moore to be direct. NT
NT
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:47 PM
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11. Instead of being... a pussy. n/t
;)
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:56 PM
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12. Why was it necessary to say that if he didn't
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 08:58 PM by ashling
want to. It was not necessary to use that word if he was uncomfortable doing so. However, making that inference is your problem, not his. He effectively got the point across.

on edit: I'm more concerned with the words that Bush will not use, like "civil war"
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 09:01 PM
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15. You're right.
If James Moore would have been uncomfortable being blunt, then it's fine that he wasn't.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 08:58 PM
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14. ...But the Bushes are still moral compared to Bubba Clinton.
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 08:58 PM by muntrv
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 09:22 PM
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17. And you have to make this the subject of a whole thread - why?
Is it somehow newsworthy? Why?

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 09:26 PM
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18. I saw the interview and I'm glad that Eric J posted this "backstory"...
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 09:29 PM by Radio_Lady
Morgana, if you don't want to converse with the OP, then don't!

But to pick up on it and then exclaim that a thread should not be posted... that's the ultimate in egocentrism...

Did you ever think that there might be 98,000 other people viewing the thread (just a possibility!).... not JUST YOU!

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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 09:41 PM
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19. Actually, I agree with Morgana...
I mean, did you ever think that perhaps a fair amount of that 98,000 have the same question? Also, I'm guessing that Morgana did indeed want to converse with the OP, otherwise, why ask the question in the first place?

As for me, I also am curious as to why the fact that Moore prefers not to use arguably vulgar language on television is considered news in the least bit...
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:21 PM
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24. So, you're interested in the answer but you don't know if this is news?
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 10:30 PM by Radio_Lady
What makes it news? It's just a question in the DU. If thousands of people have the same question and don't want to discuss it HERE, then the thread sinks fast.

Is this the DU's problem, or the cable news outlet in choosing James Moore to be interviewed today? He's the author of "Bush's Brain" which I believe is a legitimate book (not self published).

Eric in MN, thanks for posting this topic.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:26 PM
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27. I watched the interview on "Countdown" and I thought James Moore's
...indirectness was noteworthy.

Based on the number of replies this thread has gotten, other people are interested in this topic, too.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-07-06 07:28 PM
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31. Other people are interested in this topic too?
Yes, the puerile usually brings out the gawkers and snickerers, the latter of which is what YOU sounded like in your OP of this "noteworthy" topic.

Well, at least you were "man enough" (cough, sputter) to confirm my worst fears about you on the subject.

Pardon me while I go :puke:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:24 PM
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26. I also started a serious thread about Ethics Reform tonight...
...which got no replies from other people.

It's not my choice that this thread is popular and the Ethics Reform thread isn't.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:28 PM
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28. I understand. That's my point exactly. Eric, you don't have to grovel around here.
Edited on Tue Dec-05-06 10:32 PM by Radio_Lady
We talk about what we talk about.

Sorry, but I didn't get to the Ethics Reform thread. I'm busy working on my review of the movie "Apocalypto"...
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:33 PM
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29. It's not too late for the Ethics Reform thread.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:11 PM
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20. So when Bush father and son get together, they argue about
which is the bigger pussy?

:shrug:
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:19 PM
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22. I'm the least prudish person on the planet
and use LOADS of bad language in my everyday speech. I think language is humankind's most wonderful innovation and think we should use as many of the words we have come up with as possible. I'm sure that "pussy" has it's place in this context

But I feel total revulsion at the idea of that fucking bastard using the word like that. It is just so utterly fucking disgusting, graceless, unbecoming, derogatory and coarse. Yuk. And coming out of his mouth, with that grin-smirk? Like the repressed frat-boy fuck he is.

I feel phyically ill just imagining it.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-05-06 10:20 PM
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23. Then why did Jeff Gannon visit the WH so often? No one is that crude
unless they're hiding something.
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