ISG: “Ask Iran and Syria to Help Us with Iraq.” Why Would They? Also, Bailing Junior’s Ass Out Again

Mugsy

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ISG: “Ask Iran and Syria to Help Us with Iraq.” Why Would They? Also, Bailing Junior’s Ass Out Again

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ISG: “Ask Iran and Syria to Help Us with Iraq.” Why Would They? Also, Bailing Junior’s Ass Out Again.

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I heard someone state the obvious yesterday… so obvious I hadn’t considered it…

What is more in Iran’s interest:

Helping the U.S. create a stable Democratic ally next door that might side with America against them?

OR…

A United States bogged down in Iraq, wasting precious resources trying to bring it under control.

...“Why on Earth would Iran and Syria want to *help* us do something so clearly not in their best interests?” Which got me thinking: “What would make it within their interest?” And I came up with this enticing option: Threaten to abandon Iraq and leave it a mess. Threaten to pull out and leave a nasty civil war on their doorstep, with the potential of spilling out over its borders and destabilize their own countries… the exact reasoning we are using for why they should help us. But all they hear now is “we won’t leave until Iraq is fixed”, which gives them NO incentive to help us. But if we use this mess as LEVERAGE, threatening to leave this hot steaming pile in their backyard for THEM to clean up… thus turning the tables 180′ so that WE are the ones freed up while THEY waste precious resources to bring Iraq under control, THEN maybe they might suddenly feel the need to help us.

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Speaking of his father, former President George H.W. Bush broke down in tears Tuesday while giving a speech before the Florida State Legislature in honor of his son Jeb, Governor of Florida. Several people has suggested that the former President sobbed, not so much for what his son Jeb had overcome, but in recognition of just how badly his son George W had tarnished the family name, destroyed their reputation, and likely annihilated any future political aspirations “the good son” Jeb might of had.

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Postscript: I feel a sense of poetic justice in the fact that two of Poppy’s friends, Sandra Day O’Connor and James A Baker III… two people INSTRUMENTAL in stopping the 2000 Florida recount and getting George W appointed President… had to be brought in as part of the Iraq Study Group to bail juniors ass out now. (...)

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GreenZoneLT

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Fri Dec-08-06 02:21 AM
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1. Why would a democratic Iraq be pro-U.S.?

I mean, there's a rapidly fading gratitude for getting rid of Saddam, but the majority of Iraqi Shiites are far more likely to side with Iran than with the U.S. in a showdown. And that's two-thirds of the population. The Sunnis hate them more than they hate us, and a stable, democratic Iraq would have to have a disarmed Sunni population.

The Maliki administration and the parliament are U.S.-tolerant more than they're pro-U.S., because they need us until they can get the Iraq army into some sort of state of efficiency. They're just using W; they don't agree with him on Middle East policy at all.

A war-wracked Iraq hurts Iran more than us, because Iran's repressive theocracy has a lot of enemies, including Iranian ex-pats in Iraq who would launch terrorist attacks across the border (there's a whole group of them penned up in a U.S.-guarded enclave right now that the Maliki administration keeps accusing of terrorism).

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napi21

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Fri Dec-08-06 02:25 AM
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2. Your suggestion of leaving the mess for them is a possible answer.

I'm sure there are many other negotiating points a GOOD negotiator could have too. The big problem I see is that this admin. doesn't have ANY negotiators at all! Baker would be a good one, but I suspect he's too old.

I really do think it's important to at least invite Iran and Syria to the negotiating table. All wars are political, andi in the end, only a political solution works. You can't very well get a political solution to Iraq if the only one you're dealing with is the fake leader of Iraq!

However, Shrub with all his arrogance will never agree, and I'm afraid his words were tragically true "The NEXT President will have to deal with it!"

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Eugene

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Fri Dec-08-06 02:36 AM
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3. If Iraq implodes, everybody loses.

An all-out civil war can produce millions of refugees. Many of those refugees
will go to Iran and Syria. The civil war can also escalate into a regional
conflict, pulling in Saudi Arabia and other Arab states. Both developments
would be risky for Iran.

Moreover, Iraq's "democratic" government is dominated by Iranian-backed Shiite
factions, SCIRI and the al-Sadr block. It is in Iran's interest for the Shiites
to prevail. If they can achieve that without a civil war, so much the better.

Iran aspires to be the alternative power in the Middle East to the U.S.-Israel
alliance. Pulling a stable Iraq into its orbit along with Syria and Lebanon
would be a major political coup.

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malaise

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Fri Dec-08-06 07:30 AM
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7. Iraq has already imploded

Get the fugg out.

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sandnsea

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Fri Dec-08-06 03:19 AM
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4. No kidding?

Somebody said that 3 years ago too.

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dmosh42

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Fri Dec-08-06 05:10 AM
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5. I think all the neighboring countries would have an input

I have believed that Iran would like some input, as it furthers their cause of Shia power, plus they would have a calming influence on their people in Iraq. They have let the Bush gang dig this hole and do their work of setting up another Shia state. Syria would like some stability to avoid the big refugee peoblem from both Lebanon and Iraq. The Saudi's were against Bush doing this in the first place, but now will want to support their team, the Sunni groups from a slaughter. Turkey wants the Kurd thing for independence stopped, as some of their country is part of the old Kurdistan world.

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Jacobin

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Fri Dec-08-06 07:27 AM
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6. Millions of refugees streaming into neighboring countries

could make them want to get Iraq at least sorta back on track. There have already beeen hundreds of thousands....as things get worse, the chaos and refugee numbers will increase and spread.

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Mugsy

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Fri Dec-08-06 09:12 AM
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8. Right.

Currently, Iraq is *OUR* mess. The big winner in this whole debacle is Iran. Time to turn the tables.

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