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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:44 AM
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Ministers(UK MPs)to ban creationist teaching aids in science lessons
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 01:49 AM by and-justice-for-all
The government is to write to schools telling them that controversial teaching materials promoting creationism should not be used in science lessons.
The packs include DVDs and written materials promoting intelligent design, a creationist alternative to Darwinism, that were sent to every school in the country by the privately-funded group Truth in Science. Advocates of the theory argue that some features of the universe and nature are so complex that they must have been designed by a higher intelligence. Last week, the Guardian revealed that 59 schools had told Truth in Science the materials were a "useful classroom resource".

More...http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1965986,00.html
Or Here...http://richarddawkins.net/article,396,Ministers-to-ban-creationist-teaching-aids-in-science-lessons,James-Randerson-The-Guardian

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:47 AM
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1. Dammit! By saying "Ministers", you're confusing Us Merkins!
Speak English, Dammit!

Er.... ;-)
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:49 AM
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2. If I was a science teacher, that DVD would be required viewing in my class
IMHO, there's no better lesson on science than taking apart creationist bullshit. A real science education should teach kids to tell the difference between scientific theory and supernatural beliefs.

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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 02:02 AM
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4. I can agree with that....
...But you can not know for sure if ALL teachers will have that same way of thinking. I would enjoy very much dismantling that faux science ID shit too if I was a science teacher, there is more evidence AGAINST ID then there is fro it.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 02:05 AM
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5. Actually, that's a very good idea.
You can watch it, and then you can prepare point-by-point rebuttals to the materials given with your own presentation and materials.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:56 AM
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3. i thought we were the only ones still stuck on that bs
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 02:50 AM
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7. I thought so too. My belief was that Europe, even the UK,
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 02:57 AM by anotheryellowdog
was more enlightened. For the moment at least, I will continue to believe that Europe minus the UK still has better sense. Please don't tell me I'm wrong. This is such foolishness and in Darwin's home country too. Thank God at least that science is not democratic. It doesn't need the popular vote to prevail. Natural selection will do what it does, and the Creationists/Intelligent Design advocates will die and evolution and selection will be conserved. The Second Law of Thermodynamics exists, and because it does we do too. Amen.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:38 AM
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8. There's been some backsliding here
and I think it's largely due to Tony Blair. He's in love with 'faith schools' - since, in the 19th century, many schools were started by the Church of England, before schooling became a right for everyone, they were allowed to continue having some say in the running of those schools, and new ones they helped found, even though the running costs of those schools comes purely from taxes, just like 'normal' state schools. There are also Roman Catholic schools, a few Jewish schools, and, since Blair came to power, some Muslim schools run and funded the same way.

Blair likes the 'ethos' of faith schools, and encourages more of them. "Foundation schools" are schools where a charity, company or individual contributes about 10% to the start-up costs of a school, and in return gets to appoint the headmaster and board of governors. A creationist car dealer has done this, and when it became apparent the schools had appointed a creationist as the head of science, Blair was asked to condemn the teaching of creationism in the school. Blair refused. This has encouraged the creationists; sure enough, we find that head of science has links to "Truth in Science":

It was fuelled by a new GCSE biology syllabus sent out this year by OCR, one of three exam boards in England, which said that pupils should be able to "explain that the fossil record has been interpreted differently over time (eg creationist interpretation)".

In England, debate over creationism in science has consistently focused on three independent state schools in the North-East run by Sir Peter Vardy, the evangelical Christian car dealer.

Last week, he denied in an interview that it was used in science lessons. "Creationism is not taught in my schools. That is stark raving crazy," he told the Times Educational Supplement. However, one Vardy school has been linked to the Truth in Science project.

Steve Layfield, head of science at Emmanuel College, Gateshead, was named as a member of the group's board of directors, before standing down from Truth in Science last month, apparently under pressure from Sir Peter himself.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/28/ncreation28.xml
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 02:07 AM
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6. Someone's come to their senses.
Too bad it won't catch on here.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 08:39 PM
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9. Bump...nt
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