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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:51 AM Original message |
“Six Brutal Truths about Iraq,” By Gen. Odom (READ THIS, dammit!) |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. "We broke it; we've got to fix it" seems to be the conventional wisdom, even |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. We can possibly fix some infrastructure we bombed to hell |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Under the current conditions, no |
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GreenZoneLT (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. This seems to contradict conventional progressive wisdom |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Excellent point. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Did you read the article? General Odom spells out quite clearly why there is nothing we can do |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That's a point where I think his GON clouds his judgement |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Your solutions come from an alternate universe. |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. "another (trustworthy!) team in the White House" (n/t) |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Yeah. I got that part. Stay the course until 2009 & HOPE for a better "team". |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
48. So you prefer a short-term escalation into a regional catastrophe just to please your impatience? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. the fact of the matter is |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Thanks for showing up here! And you're absolutely correct. They have no intention of leaving Iraq. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. In those other places we were not the ones responsible for the |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
45. We cannot stop them from killing each other. That should be obvious by now. We should |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. Are you a carpenter? |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. What's with the "We" part. As I recall, Powell said "you" to Bush. It's a Bush |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
7. he is very right. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
10. My Chief Problem with the Article |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:09 AM Response to Original message |
11. thanks was worth readying |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:14 AM Response to Original message |
12. K&R! |
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enough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
14. k&r |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
17. I think he's full of shit, and a racist |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. But it's not racist at all for Westerners to invade, bomb, occupy and tell them they need to change? |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Did I say that? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. No you didn't say that. But what you DID says implies the same thing. |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Yes, "at some point, they will reach their own rapprochement." |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. So, how do you propose we prevent that? We can't prevent what's happening now. |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. An analogy needn't be 1:1 to be relevant |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. "...they have goals, they have interest, they have legitimate fears." They also have their own |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Well, there's a nice rightwing talking point. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
18. The people of the region are making their own "plan" without our "help". |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
19. this is absolutely correct and what many of us have been saying... |
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RedEarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
20. KR .. Dr. Landis blog( Syriacomment.com ) is worth checking from time to time |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Yes, he's one of my regular stops when I'm reading up on the Middle East. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
28. My proposal. |
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Buck Rabbit (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Joking I hope? |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Withdraw is my first option, but if the military wouldn't accept withdraw |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I actually don't think it's such a bad proposal -- given the reality of things. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Interesting - I hadn't read your post. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Well, the intention is to stay, of course. However, for the well-being of the planet, |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Agreed. |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. A fair plan. I rather like it. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
33. KICK! |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Thanks for the kick. I'll do likewise! (nt) |
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Porcupine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
37. I'm sick of the media telling us we have to stay.... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
43. There's always a way.... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The question is, does it require the U.S. military? |
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