Debbie Schlussel: "Barack Hussein Obama: Once a Muslim, Always A Muslim"

Get a load of this bottomless pit of stupidity from the soulless Schlussel, brought to you by Taylor Marsh of Huffington Post (so you don't have to give Schlussel the traffic):

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Many months ago, readers began asking me whether Barack Obama is Muslim. Since he identifies as a Christian, I said, "no," and responded that he was not raised by his Kenyan father.

But, then, I decided to look further into Obama's background. His full name--as by now you have probably heard--is Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Hussein is a Muslim name, which comes from the name of Ali's son--Hussein Ibn Ali. And Obama is named after his late Kenyan father, the late Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., apparently a Muslim.

And while Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not.

(snip)

So, even if he identifies strongly as a Christian, and even if he despised the behavior of his father (as Obama said on Oprah); is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be?

Is that even the man we'd want to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, if Hillary Clinton offers him the Vice Presidential candidacy on her ticket (which he certainly wouldn't turn down)?

NO WAY, JOSE . . . Or, is that, HUSSEIN?

so I wouldn't worry:kick:

Merica (as you call it) is not ready for a Latino either, since this idiot used the term "no way Jose."

If merica is not ready to accept anything besides a white "christian" man for president, then I think many of us are no longer content with merica and its politics as usual.

Just another dumb, fascist Republican trying to be intelligent

Huh? What the hell does she mean by this? We are NOT fighting a religious war, regardless of what the kool-aid drinkers would have us to believe.

I've never met Debbie Schlussel but if this writing is indicative of her character then I fucking hate the bitch.

there's no excuse for the gender slur.

If it was a man I would have said he was a bastard. After all, it was meant as an insult.

is in no way the equivalent of calling a woman a bitch. My momma always told me when you have to resort to calling someone names, you've already lost the debate. If you disagree with this woman, find a more adult and intelligent way of expressing that than calling her a gender slut. Otherwise you just look like an idiot.

..."She's a Bitch, She's a Bitch, She's a Big Fat Bitch, She's the biggest Bitch in the whole wide world...."

She is of no gender, so it is NOT a gender slur!!!!!!!

If you don't like her and disagree with her politics and worldview...that's fine. I think she's wrong wrong wrong as well. But disparaging her gender just makes you look immature and incapable of presenting and defending your own beliefs on their own merits.

velma velma velma

Gender is as Gender does I guess???



"When fear is too terrible, when reality is too agonizing, we seek escape in manufactured danger, in the thrills and pleasures of pretending-in the amusement parks of our unamusing world. Here, in frantic pretending, Velma finds escape and temporary peace, and goes home tired enough to sleep a short, deep sleep. But what happens here when night comes? When pretending ends, and reality begins?"

but bitch can be use for men also now. It has become a non-gender insult.

when you use it as an insult to a man...you are still denigrating women because you are insulting the man by refering to him as a woman. It really doesn't seem that complicated to grasp.

Does that mean they were really calling me a man, and thus insulting men? Just joking.

Calling a man a bastard was also insulting a woman. His mother. There is not an insulting name for a man that equals those for women, unless MF could be considered one and here again the mother is also insulted.

There is a saying about "picking your battles" and right now this is not the battle I want to be fighting. :shrug:

but as long as we live in a society drenched in patriarchy and contempt for women...we don't much get a choice about fighting it if we want to keep any of the gains we've made. If you let things that seem little slide...then people just think they can get away with more and more and more. Plus this is an allegedly liberal board and I just expect better of my fellow liberals than name-calling and thinly veiled sexism.

this very much a religious war... and all sides are losing.

She's execrable, not pettable.

If she believes fighting in Iraq is the right thing to do, she should get her own ass out on the front lines.

What horse shit.

I mean seriously, does anyone give two shits about this Coulter clone?

The fact that anyone would actually post that hate filled screed is more a testament to the publisher than to the *ahem* author.

Gosh, I heard that maybe his mother has some Native American or Jewish blood in her. We'll really be in a pickle if that ever comes to light.

Isn't there a jerkoff smilie around somewhere?

as the people that once used the "one drop of blood" rule. If a person is stupid enough to believe this sort of argument, then they don't deserve to vote due to mental deficiency.

Right Debbie?

:sarcasm:

and vote accordingly, then 'merika gets what it deserves...

I'm still Methodist, since my parents were Methodist?

Sorry, don't think so. Religion is not an ethnicity.

It doesn't matter if she thinks she isn't. I believe she is, so she is.

to convert people to their form of Christianity. They still believe in Jesus so its still Christianity. Why can't a muslim by birth be a Christian by choice? sheer stupidity from this asswipe. I just wasted thirty seconds of my life reading that crap.

This woman clearly should just shut up and step away from the computer. What bullshit.

Schlussel canvassed about this?

My guess is zero.

I think she confuses two things - race and religion.

Also this sentence is kind of worrying: "we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam". Well, excuse me but I don't see any American troops occupying Mecca right now or attacking Saudi Arabia. In fact it seems to be the opposite, Saudi Arabia is pulling B*sh's strings to keep US troops in Iraq as a bulwark against Shi'ite dominance in the region.

to smear him with. No Swift Boat Vets for "Truth". No "intern stories". The RW knows that Obama is a threat. And the best they can do is attack him because of his middle name. Pathedic. :eyes:

Like he's some Muslim Manchurian candidate. If unresolved daddy conflicts worry her she should be very afraid of the current WH squatter.

he can choose whatever religion he likes.

What ever will become of these united states?

in case it's not obvious :sarcasm:

She can go suck on a poo, as far as I'm concerned.

:evilfrown:

Sounds like Little Debbie Von Schlussel has too much time on her hands.

I guess Debbie doesn't know any better, BUT she should.

baptized by a former relative!

Well, she's German, even if she despises her heritage. :crazy:

Sometimes you just want to whup idiots upside the head.

given that the penalty for apostasy in Islamic countries is death. :think:

A freepflack with a name straight from the fatherland is commenting on Barak Obama's name?

It is to laugh, Frauline Schlussel.

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." --Ann Coulter

Yet, when someone who happens to be running for president did just that (convert to Christianity), all of a sudden it's "Once a Muslim, always a Muslim."

Make up your damn minds, neocons. Can't have it both ways.

This circular logic, my friends, is indicative of those people who fancy themselves intelligent but are not so much. They argue themselves in circles, and don't even know it. Idiots.

Christians believe that once you accept Jesus, you are a Christian. Perhaps Ms. Schlussel is not a Christian.

To be fair.

:shrug: She's a vitriolic anti-Arab and anti-Muslim bigot.

:patriot:

That's the title of a brilliant diary about this over at kos. I posted an exerpt and a link in GDP. Here's a link to my post which contains the link to the kos diary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3022965

How utterly shameful.

Tucker

The big fear was that he would answer to the Pope instead of to the American people.

Now we have an imposter in the WH who answers to the right wing nuts instead of to the supreme court who selected him. :grr:

Schlussel argues that it is fair to speculate about the reeeeal loyalties of people with Muslim relatives, seein' as how we're living in dangerous times and all, and the Muslim world plays a big role in that...

Okay.

We are living in dangerous times. We do have legitimate security interests to defend. So my question is, shouldn't everyone else also be fair game for that kind of speculation and suspicion? The more people whose loyalty we subject to scrutiny, the safer we'll be, surely!

Is that what she's asking for?

;-)

This whole discussion is deeply disturbing...

I would be defending his right to be one and saying that it didn't make a difference. But since he is not one, I hate it being used as a weapon/insult. Now don't get me wrong, I don't see it as an insult, they are just making it into one.

What I find so troubling is the kind of response (not so much found here, but other places) that suggests his heritage isn't a problem anymore because he's now a Christian. The problem isn't that he once was, or still is a Muslim, or has Muslim sympathies... the problem is, just as you noted, that "Muslim" is being used as a derogatory term. "Muslim" and "American" are being fashioned as two polar opposities, as if there was no possiblity a hybrid exists.

That is all you need to know.

Did he make a pilgrimage to Mecca while I was at lunch? :sarcasm:

Oh, I get it. Because he opposes Bush**'s attempt to turn sizable portions of the Arab world into rubble, he's "moving in the direction of his father's heritage". :sarcasm:

And who says Hillary is going to offer him the VP slot? Why couldn't it be Edwards? Or Kerry? Or Gore? Oh, that's right, Faux and the rest of the MSM have already awarded the nomination to Hillary by acclamation, so there's no need for us peons to go out and actually vote in those pesky primaries and caucuses. :sarcasm:

and let them know how they could be on the other side of a bigot's hatred.

A person's name isn't his religion. OMG could these people be more fucking dense? Sadly there's enough of this stupidity nationwide that it could cost him the election.

... Okay, I apologize to all of the bigoted bimbos reading this. Comparing all of you to Debbie Schlussel was indeed out of bounds!

Coultergeist -- n. A right wing pundit who specializes in hateful rhetoric and smear tactics, usually employing obvious logical fallicies.

So even though I am an agnostic, I'll see you in Baptist fundamentalist heaven.

Nice try.:eyes:

70 posts in an Obama thread, and we haven't had a single "America isn't ready for a black president" post yet! No "Obama is too green. He should wait and run in 2032" either.

Can't we at least get a factually incorrect accusation of Obama being DLC?

The anti-Obama brigade is asleep at the wheel here.