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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 02:44 AM
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Military buildup underway in Persian Gulf
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=221958

U.S. and British military forces are circling Iran with a major buildup in the Gulf region.

The escalation comes as a resolution is about to be passed at the United Nations imposing sanctions on Iran.

"Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates was expected this week to approve a second aircraft carrier and supporting ships to be stationed within quick sailing distance of Iran by early next year," the New York Times quoted U.S. officials as saying in an article published Thursday.

The article said the officials acknowledged the increased military presence would improve the chances of success of a strike if it came, and could be seen as a provocation to Iran.

Britain's Royal Navy is also sending two mine sweepers to the area.
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Looks like in January things will get poppin... Saw Netanyou on Becks show saying Iraq is really about Iran... He really wants an invasion by America of Iran.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 02:52 AM
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1. I'd be more worried, but as it is we don't have enough troops for Iraq
I can't imagine where they think we'd get troops to invade Iran as well.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 02:54 AM
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2. I would agree with you but Bush wants this war and he can
implement the draft we head into WWIII

Ya just never know with Bush
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 02:57 AM
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6. W has been neutered by the last election n/t
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:02 AM
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9. I hope you are right
I hope the Dems stop him
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PFunk Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 05:25 AM
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21. Maybe..
Actually all he has to do is the start the ball rolling by attacking Iran. And let momentum take it from there. Counting on the Dems to back the US millitary's actions-no matter how bone headed they are.

Besides at this point in his carrer Bush absoluty has nothing to lose by attacking Iran now.

Isreal on the other hand has a lot to lose by it.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 02:55 AM
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3. Nor the money
W has pretty well bankrupted the country.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 02:56 AM
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4. Who needs money when you rule all the Oil in the world
thats the REAL MONEY
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 02:57 AM
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5. You are talking about the boy in the bubble
the Decider

Also remember Chaney's words, that not even loosing Congress would stop them
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:00 AM
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7. Impeachment may be the only cure
And it will be the GOP who lead the effort.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:03 AM
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10. Thats the Only way it would work
They have to make a choice of Survival

cause after this the Republican Party may not survive
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:13 AM
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13. No actually we are setting the stage
the committees are hiring them fancy lawyers to help with the investigations....

Phase one.

Now the GOP may do to Junior what they did to Nixon... have a one on one assuming the votes are in the senate... remember we need 60 to convict in the senate, while the house you need a simple majority.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:01 AM
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8. Bingo watching netanhyou on TV tonite
kinda says that Iran has really been the major Goal the whole time

Bush needs to finish the PNAC plan

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:11 AM
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11. Iran defiant ahead of nuke sanctions vote
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20964189-2703,00.html

IRANIAN President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vowed Thursday that nothing would stop Iran pushing ahead with its nuclear program, as world powers prepared to vote Friday on sanctions against Tehran.
"The United States and Europeans know well that they cannot do anything against Iran and their pressure will not hold back Iran's desire to fully obtain peaceful nuclear technology," Ahmadinejad said.

"The bullying powers today, in confronting Iran's peaceful nuclear technology, are faced with a sea of courageous people," he added in a speech in Gilan-e Gharb town, in Iran's western Kermanshah province.

"If they think that nuclear energy only belongs to one group of the Iranian people they are mistaken."

Qatar, which is chairing UN Security Council sessions this month, confirmed Thursday that a draft resolution would be put to a vote before the 15-nation body today
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The New York Times newspaper, quoting unnamed US officials, reported Thursday that the United States and Britain would move additional warships into the Gulf region as the Security Council moves on sanctions
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:12 AM
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12. They are telling the Saudis that they like them best, that's what this is about
It has to do with Cheney's signalling that the US would discuss regional issues with Iran, and Cheney being summoned to SA for a talking-to, whilst Bandar Bush secretly travelled to DC to get Monkeyboy on the 'correct' page. This carrier-to-the-Gulf lunacy is simply a bit of meaningless sabre-rattling because Bush needs to prove his love to his tiptoe-through-the-bluebells pals....and they know full well that the Persians are not just interested in generic hegemony over the Arab world (which, seeing as they are not Arab, gets the Arabs rather miffed) but they are also interested in having a crack at obtaining some sort of influence over the Holy Places at Meccah and Medina downstream.

This recent piece is instructive: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/22/AR2006122201474.html

The whole article is great reading, but the key bits are on the 2nd page:


...In his secret visits, Bandar increasingly pressed the Bush administration not to deal with Iran -- and, instead, to organize joint efforts to counter Iran's growing influence in the Middle East, such as in Lebanon, said sources close to the royal family. The new model would be based roughly on the kind of joint U.S.-Saudi cooperation that assisted anti-Soviet forces during Moscow's 1979-1989 occupation of Afghanistan, the sources said.

Washington and Riyadh are already planning a major aid and military training package for the beleaguered Lebanese government of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, whose government is besieged by thousands of supporters of Iranian-backed Hezbollah.

The Sunni kingdom sees Iran as a threat because of Tehran's alleged nuclear weapons program. The kingdom also fears the shifting balance of power -- under Iran's tutelage -- between minority Shiites and majority Sunnis, who have dominated Middle East politics for almost 14 centuries. The monarchy faces its own restive Shiite minority in the main oil-producing province.

The kingdom grew particularly alarmed as the report of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group began to leak out last month, with recommendations that the administration talk to both Iran and Syria, say U.S. officials and sources close to the royal family. Even before the report was released, Abdullah summoned Cheney to again warn about Iran and the regional implications of its growing influence -- and offer Saudi assistance and discuss joint U.S.-Saudi efforts.

The al-Faisal brothers, in contrast, have consistently urged dialogue with Tehran and are wary of joint U.S.-Saudi efforts against Iran and its surrogates. Turki often urged the United States to deal with its enemies....Turki's frequent public events -- in which he was frank about America's poor image abroad and urged progress on the deadlocked Arab-Israeli peace process as the key to defusing broader regional tensions -- generated an unusual amount of attention in the Saudi media and made him a popular figure back home.....After a year of internal tensions and failure to pay bills, Turki was not invited to Riyadh for Cheney's visit, Saudi sources confirmed. And Bandar returned to Washington again right after the meeting to discuss the specifics of the joint efforts. Two weeks later, Turki quit.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:22 AM
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14. It looks like the House of Saud is divided
and who would ever think that the Saudis would be buddies with Israel

Mark this on your calendars
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:32 AM
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15. They are not
just as the House of Bush just play pretend. The israelis are disposble in all of this.

Sadly a frined of mine didn't get it until she saw F 911
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:43 AM
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16. You know I agree with you
Its such a untrustworthy group who has control of the Worlds greatest army
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:50 AM
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18. Yeah these guys are a scary bunch
and with that I think I'd better say good night
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:48 AM
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17. .

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 04:26 AM
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19. Bush is a fucking maniac.
He's actually serious on having the firepower at his finger tips in the Gulf Region, isn't he? By moving in more warplanes and warships, he won't have to wait several weeks to bring in all that stuff just to bomb Iran from the skies.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 04:55 AM
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20. This is some real crazy shit
Bush and Cheney should be . . .
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 03:45 PM
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22. kick
:kick:
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