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earlybelle Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 10:29 PM
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People wake up! You had better pay attention to what Scott Ritter is saying about Iran.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/16/144204

He was right about Iraq. He exposes the PNAC-neocon agenda for what it really is. Seymour Hersch and Scott Ritter are two people who do not get the attention they deserve. Our Congress needs to pay attention to them.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 10:33 PM
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1. They're planning the crime of the century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Moy513mIeB0&eurl=


Now they're planning the crime of the century
Well what will it be?
Read all about their schemes and adventuring
It's well worth a fee
So roll up and see
And they rape the universe
How they've gone from bad to worse
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let see.
But that's no right - oh no, whats the story?
There's you and there's me
That cant be right



Bush's Inconceivable Interest in Iran Sat Apr-01-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=819437

Senior U.S. Officials “Want to Hit Iran” Tue Apr-04-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=844418

Larisa Alexandrovna: CHENEY TAPS IRANIAN ARMS DEALER FOR IRAN TALKS Thu Apr-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=977234

Seymour Hersh said something startling about Rumsfeld on Democracy Now Fri Aug-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1936421

So former DLC, PNAC member Abram Shulsky feeding Cheney info on Iran? Sat Aug-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1944614

Fuck. Iran has started "war games." Escalation may only be expected. Sun Aug-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1949812

Attack on Iran is ComingSun Aug-27-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1993284

"Grave threat". Yes, it's deja vu all over again. Thu Aug-31-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2022620

UN attacks US nuclear report on Iran erroneous misleading unsubstantiated Sun Sep-17-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2159951

We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now Tue Sep-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2168218

Navy told: Prepare to blockade Iran by Oct 1 Mon Sep-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2161779

Pentagon Iran Office Mimics Former Iraq Office Wed Sep-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2179484

“This is the largest massing of military power in the region, and it is gathering for a reason.” Sat Nov-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2753952

Seymour Hersh: Cheney Says 'Whether Or Not Dems Win-NO STOPPING Military Option With Iran' Sun Nov-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2757350

Does anyone still believe the US will launch a full scale invasion of Iran? Mon Dec-04-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2856177

Saudi clerics rally support for Sunnis and Saudi ambassador Abruptly Resigns Tue Dec-12-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2902643

Act III in a Tragedy of Many Parts - The US Occupation of Iraq Sun Dec-17-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2935498

Century Foundation Iran White Paper Series Fundamentalists, Pragmatists and the Rights of the Nation Tue Dec-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2948146

Oh shit Tue Dec-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2944423
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 12:43 AM
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7. I've been thinking that...
911 was the crime of the century! MIHOP!
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 03:08 PM
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21. 9/11 was the crime of the year; it's an enabler for an infinite number of crimes
After they saw what they could do with 9/11, they went ahead and did the Anthrax attacks. 9/11 was a professional job the whole way. MIHOP all the way.

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 07:06 PM
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25. Absolutely...
I hope we get an investigation from the new congress but I'm not holding my breath!
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 10:33 PM
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2. I heard that interview on NPR.
He sure got my attention.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 10:41 PM
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3. It has been clear that bu$h was going to Iran and Syria
Edited on Sat Dec-23-06 10:42 PM by liberal N proud
It was not clear until late this year which one was going to be first. It is now apparent that bu$h will find a way to include Iran in the Iraq conflict thus expanding the war and checking off one more item from the PNAC master plan. It of course just like all of bu$h's other endeavors will be a failure of insurmountable proportions and the talking head will pander to the right as they have done for the last 6 years.

:nuke:

update for spelling
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 11:07 PM
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5. Failure isn't really a problem. Death, destruction and bloodshed
because of the failure is a big problem. We have to stop this if we can.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 10:46 PM
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4. I believe he and Sy Hersh had an interview just a few days ago also but
I missed it. maybe a week ago----on Dem. Now also.
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oldlady Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 12:41 AM
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6. you're right
I missed the show, but read the interview online. went looking for ritter's book today...all sold out at my local big box bookstore.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 12:57 AM
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8. Not to draw flames, but didn't Sy Hersch prophecy about two or three times
that we have already started war with Iran?
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 01:46 AM
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9. So has General Clark.
Edited on Sun Dec-24-06 01:48 AM by Tinksrival
I remember being at a thank you event for his supporters in a basement at a bar in Chicago. What he said about * and Iran and what he has heard from Pentagon and military insiders freaked me out. This is why he worked his ass off to get Dems elected and regain control of congress. I think that the ONLY up side to the war in Iraq being such a clusterfuck is it's slowed down the neocons march through the middle east, but that's not saying much.
On the other hand, just like they kept changing their argument for the war in Iraq, I'm afraid our nut case will use the clusterfuck and blame Iran as the excuse that we have no choice but to drop bombs again. Just when the Iranian people are expressing disapproval of their nut case.

Crap! I hope congress can stop him!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 08:37 AM
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11. He didn't prophecy. He stated it flat out
And you can bet, If Mr Hersh said it it's so.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 11:13 AM
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14. Amen -- You an expect Ironclad truth from Sy Hersch nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 11:17 AM
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15. No you can't.
He's prognosticating, based on the information he has. But all prognostications have a margin of error- and Sy Hersch has been wrong before.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 07:43 PM
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26. If Sy Hersh and Scott Ritter are wrong...and have been wrong before could
you give me you argument of their factual errors?

Thanks...
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yankhadenuf Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 08:12 AM
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10. PNAC and Regime Changes
Scott Ritter has always told it like it is when it comes to Bush's real war agenda(s).
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 07:52 PM
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28. True...and I don't see he's ever made a "profit" off his "Truth Telling," either!
n/t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 11:02 AM
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12. Here is the lie that I pick up on.
Edited on Sun Dec-24-06 11:20 AM by Gregorian
When they say that "Iran is the number one threat to the national security of the United States", they are lying!

And here is the lie. Tell me if I'm wrong. I see that what this administration has done is confuse the corporations with the people. The Constitution is not about corporations. It's about the people. We the people. Not we the corporations. Iran is not a threat to we the people. Iran is a threat to the profits of the oil corporations. Now that may have a domino effect whereby the people are hurt due to gas prices. But it is not an imminent threat to the people.

And by controlling the media to trumpet the false statements, and by dumbing down the people, in the long run this long lived group of criminal oil company executives in the administration have molded a false context in which to start wars.


Iran is not an imminent threat. This is third grade logic. This is our last straw. We must stop this administration.



Edit- having listened to the entire interview, I see that we are already at war with Iran. Hersch says CIA is on the ground, we're flying over their territory, we're recruiting thugs for lack of a better word, to do god only knows what.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 11:06 AM
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13. kick. (n/t)
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 11:24 AM
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16. Thank you for drawing OUR attention! I've e-mailed this
article to family and friends...
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thingfisher Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 02:03 PM
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17. I see that Iran is now officially
tading oil for Euros now and not dollars. Does this make them more of a threat to the USA?
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earlybelle Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 02:52 PM
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18. You bet. Saddam was about to do the same thing and looked what happened to him.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 02:55 PM
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19. I'm listening.
I listened on Iraq too. Lot of fat good it did. Now that David Gregory and Olbermann are getting more agressive I hope Ritter and Hersch's voices can get more mainstream airplay.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 03:01 PM
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20. here is link from 12/21/06
Target Iran: Former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter and Investigative Journalist Seymour Hersh on White House Plans for Regime Change

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/21/143259

or
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122206B.shtml
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 03:35 PM
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22. I've no doubt that this is the wish of the PNAC, but
Mr Ritter also said that an attack on Iran was going to occur in this June past, didn't he? I don't know how BushCo could pull this off. It's my understanding that even the Pentagon looks at it as a suicide mission.

We also have a new congress. So, I'm not so sure that the plans will proceed as some might wish.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 05:36 PM
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23. Kick! Ritter knows of what he speaks...he's right on the money!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 05:38 PM
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24. this was last fall. Ritter said a Dem congress could stop them n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 07:49 PM
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27. Actually, reading the article from what I read...Ritter said he didn't have much
hope that even with Dems in power that they would. Because the Old Congress gave Bush Unilateral Power...and there's nothing much they can do about "expanding the war" to other countries in the name of "fighting terror."

We here all have hopes that "investigations" will reign them in (the Bushies) but given the track record when we controlled the Senate and all Bush appointees got through (thwarting the courageous effort of Jim Jeffords (R) to switch to give the Dems ability to stop Bush Appointees...one has to feel it's a "lost cause."

Dems are all focused on the Race for '08 and Power. What happens in these next two years they can blame on Bush and wash their hands of it.

In the end...it's all about Power and Money and Control. Dems will wait and work for '08 while America goes "down the tubes" because they don't know what else to do. It's programmed in Politicians of both stripes genes to look for "opportunity" and "keep the powder dry" until one sees "the white of the eyes to shoot."

Bushies have MIGHTY POWER...Media and Corporate and the trust of World Financial Powers. Who can really confront that?

:shrug:
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 12:32 AM
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29. kick
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 12:45 AM
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30. No way Bush can do it.
Edited on Mon Dec-25-06 12:45 AM by StClone
I think Bush McMuttonhead's reach has extended his grasp. Bush has only one avenue for attack and that would be by air. The nuclear sites he attacks with nukes would far and away spread fallout to allies Pakistan and India intensely and regionally. Congressional go along? No way. It seems this is possible but as a critical of Bush I think his curtain call would be a trumped up attack on Iran.
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