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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:07 PM
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FBI chided for OKC bomb investigation (executed McVeigh tosoon)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061225/ap_on_go_co/oklahoma_city_congress

WASHINGTON - A two-year congressional inquiry into the Oklahoma City bombing concludes that the FBI didn't fully investigate whether other suspects may have helped Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols with the deadly 1995 attack, allowing questions to linger a decade later.



The House International Relations investigative subcommittee will release the findings of its two-year review as early as Wednesday, declaring there is no conclusive evidence of a foreign connection to the attack, but that far too many unanswered questions remain.

The subcommittee's report will conclude there is no doubt McVeigh and Nichols were the main perpetrators, and it discloses for the first time that Nichols confirmed to House investigators he participated in the robbery of an Arkansas gun dealer that provided the proceeds for the attack.

There have long been questions about that robbery because the FBI concluded McVeigh was in another state at the time it occurred.
more...

I have always known Aschcroft executing McVeigh was like silencing Oswald
Now we will never know
how convenient

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:13 PM
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1. executed him to keep any more questions from being asked. yup.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:14 PM
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2. I feel the same
Ashcroft just couldn't wait to kill McVeigh, even though new papers surfaced at the time. I had the feeling this would come back to bite them. McVeigh had a lot to say. Over time, he may have told what he knew.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:15 PM
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3. Really, now....
McVeigh stopped his appeals. He could have dragged it out much longer if he had chosen to. This wasn't a rush to execute on anyone's behalf other than Tim McVeigh.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 04:38 PM
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7. Not true. Ashcroft was absolutely rabid and drooling
over the idea of executing McVeigh. I remember thinking at the time that Ashcroft knew about something that he wanted to Keep McVeigh from talking about.

It was right about then that it was revealed that a whole mess of documents had been withheld from the defense by the FBI, throwing the validity of the whole proceeding into doubt, but John the Holy Roller just couldn't wait for that stuff to get sorted out.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 05:25 PM
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10. Did McVeigh's lawyers file for a stay based on the missing documents?
I don't remember them doing so.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 11:22 PM
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14. Concur - He dropped all appeals. IIRC he wasn't talking much either


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 12:23 AM
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15. That's right. At the end he dropped the appeals, i.e. told his lawyers
to do so. But it still seems that Ashcroft was pushing mighty hard to get the execution done ASAP. Somehow it was almost as if he had agreed to go to his death without a fight in order to protect something or someone. Weird.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 12:27 AM
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17. Once you have resigned to die, it seems waiting around in a death row cell
would be the last thing you would want to do. Ashcorft was hellbent to do a lot of things...I don't read anything into his keeping up the tempo on McVey, who was not talking anyway.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 09:24 AM
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18. If there was any rush to execute McVeigh by the Bush Crime Family
it was probably to make them seem tough on domestic terror, even though that term wasn't yet popular. They didn't want to be seen as coddling violent extremists.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 01:15 PM
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20. Aha--My memory has played me false in this respect...
"A recent report by the FBI's inspector general found that two FBI supervisors knew that nine field offices had either lost or destroyed documents that should have been provided to McVeigh's defense team as early as two months before the execution. The FBI claims that the documents wouldn't have made any difference, but says it is instituting reforms and disciplining agents."

I had forgotten that the "lost or destroyed documents" came to light after the execution.

So McVeigh waived his appeals without knowing of this new evidence that might, at the very least, have badly complicated the lives of the prosecutors.

Taking this information into account, it would now appear that Ashcroft maybe rushed the execution along because he knew of this evidence and wanted to render the issue of new appeals moot by burying Timmy as soon as possible.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:19 PM
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4. Freepers will see a Clintonian conspiracy.
They have always maintained that there was a middle eastern participant that the Clinton Justice Department let off the hook.

The brain-dead right wing will fail to ask why the Ashcroft Justice Dept was so eager to end McVeigh's life and even more interesting why a GOP congressional committee would bury the results of this investigation by releasing it on Christmas Eve.

No matter what the facts are, this is a CLinton problem.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:21 PM
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5. I said this at the time but the victims families wanted "closure"
Remember them? How they rode on the bus to witness the execution. Only a couple of family members said it was too soon he might know more but they were out voted.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 04:34 PM
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6. I certainly won't judge the families but I can't help but wonder...
how many, if any, who really wanted the death penalty, feel any "closure" today. Do they regret McVeigh's execution, if it could have provided more answers? Has it made it easier to go on with their lives?

These are sincere questions... I truly hope the OKC families are moving on...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 04:40 PM
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8. It's not up to the families to decide.
They don't get to convict, they don't get to sentence, and they don't get to decide how and when the sentence is carried out.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 04:40 PM
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9. Just think all the info they could have gotten out of timmy with this crew in the wh
I hear that water-boarding will make one do a crime just so one can confess to 'em.
just being a smart ass here, sorry
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 05:42 PM
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11. Terry Nichols's Filipino Connection
Edited on Mon Dec-25-06 05:42 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0213,ridgeway,33408,6.html

by James Ridgeway
March 27 - April 2, 2002

Fourteen survivors and victims of the Oklahoma City bombing in April 1995 filed suit against Iraq in federal district court in Washington, D.C., last week, claiming that Iraqi officials gave money and training to Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols. McVeigh was executed last April. Nichols, convicted of manslaughter and given a life sentence in federal court, is awaiting trial in Oklahoma state court, where survivors are determined that he get a death sentence.

Nearly a year after McVeigh's execution, the case remains controversial. Families of victims have accused the federal government of shoddy detective work, and some even have claimed that government dicks knew from the git-go about the bombing but did nothing to prevent it and then tried to cover their asses by hiding information after the blast.

A recent report by the FBI's inspector general found that two FBI supervisors knew that nine field offices had either lost or destroyed documents that should have been provided to McVeigh's defense team as early as two months before the execution. The FBI claims that the documents wouldn't have made any difference, but says it is instituting reforms and disciplining agents.

Immediately after the bombing, federal lawmen focused on possible Middle Eastern terrorists, and Stephen Jones, McVeigh's trial attorney, said in his book Others Unknown that his client was a patsy of Middle East interests. Others have long insisted that the mysterious "John Doe No. 2" came from somewhere in the Middle East and that two accomplices seen with McVeigh before the blast looked dark and could have been Arabs. An unaccounted-for leg that turned up in the rubble was dark and might have belonged to an Arab, according to one theory.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 09:52 AM
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19. Didn't Sue Ralston and Cheneys spy in his office
come from the Phillipines???
what ever happened to the spy in Cheney's office???
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 05:49 PM
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12. The Grand Juror Who Wouldn't Shut Up:
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 06:06 PM
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13. Here is a journalist/blogger who keeps up with all the latest on the OKC
Edited on Mon Dec-25-06 07:05 PM by peanutbrittle
situation. Pretty interesting what is going on behind the scenes-

comprehensive and up to date info here:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley/PatrickA.htm
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 12:25 AM
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16. Republican Timothy McVeigh
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