Biden vows to fight any Iraq troop boost

Whether or not he is doing this because he plans to run for the presidency, I applaud him.
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while he is down. K&R.

funny how those old, moldy football cheers come back. :hi:

I applaud him for having the guts to call bush out. It is high time someone stood up to King George. Will it keep him form desperately calling up more troops to die in "HIS WAR." I don't know but someone needs to say "enough is enough."

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It is a pleasure to post here!

corporations, vote-fixing and money flooding the electorate to keep them in there.

Take Lieberman, for example...

...and we've asked that question many times over the last five years. I hope we don't have to continue asking it over the next two.

I'm hopeful because more dems have been saying the right things since November...wary because typical pattern has been that a few dems carry the progressive message on any given issue yet the dem vote is often disappointing overall. This will be interesting.

on the floor about holding the pres. accountable... kept that rhetoric going strong... even during the vote, when he spoke on the floor initially it sounded like he was going to fight it... and then he voted... to give Bushco pretty much unlimited authority. I don't buy his "strong position" or rhetoric anymore.

I will only believe it, when he acts on it.

... he wasn't running for the presidency then... in a country where the majority is against this godawful war.

Let's hope he does the right thing this time.

I'm just so tired of being tired of bending-in-the-wind Dems!

E-mail: senator@biden.senate.gov

Phone: (202) 224-5042

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E-mail: senator@biden.senate.gov

Phone: (202) 224-5042

Unfortunately, I don't have the 800 numbers around right now.

Push him to live up to his words!

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I have watched him for years , he acted like a big deal and still alowed Thomas to sit on the supreme court .

All I can say is he is running for president and will use all popular means to get there .

Now all of a sudden he speaks out , I'm not buying it from his past record .

...him & tell him not to back down:

E-mail: senator@biden.senate.gov

Phone: (202) 224-5042

His past record on Iraq actually is worth judging him on. He was one of the senators attempting to pass legislation "that would narrow the president's authority further. Under their proposal, Bush would only be able to attack Iraq for the purpose of destroying Iraq's WMDs and only after seeking UN approval. If the United Nations said no, Bush would have to come back to Congress and demonstrate that the Iraqi weapons threat was so 'grave' that only military action could eliminate it." (page 127 of "Hubris" by Isikoff & Corn).

The Biden-Lugar effort was gaining support from both democrats and republicans, in large part because of "behind the scenes" support from Powell and Armitage. Biden, as democratic leader on the Senate foreign relations committee, put CIA (mis)Director Tenet on the hot seat when he asked what "technically collected" evidence the Agency had to indicate Iraq had WMD? "None, Senator," was the Director's answer. (pages 117-118; "Hubris")

Bush was furious. He ranted about democrats in the Senate who were "not interested in the security of the American people." He told Trent Lott that he didn't want "a resolution such as (Biden & Lugar's)... that ties my hands. ... Derail the Biden legislation and make sure it never sees the light of day." (page 127; "Hubris")

The White House continued to put tremendous pressure on Lott, Lugar, and Chuck Hagel. But in the end, it was none other than the democratic leader in the House of Representatives, Dick Gephardt, who led the effort to derail Biden's work, and to free the president's hands. (page 127; "Hubris")

There are issues that Biden has not been a strong and progressive voice. But this isn't one of them. And the record is clear on that.

... to look at the positive!

It also brings to mind something that Mark Twain said, many years ago, that is just as true today: "The problem in the world today is not one of ignorance; it's of people knowing so darned much that just ain't so."

Gee, how did we luck out and not get Gephardt as the nominee. GAK.

My memory isn't what it used to be, so I appreciate you straightening out the record on these things. :thumbsup:

Gephardt took the cowardly action against Biden for strictly political purposes. He wanted to be the democratic nominee, and he believed that associating himself with the Bush/Cheney aggression would help him.

Until then, I had thought that Gephardt might make a good secretary of labor. He had many progressive ideas on labor and economic issues. But I lost all respect for him when I found out what he did.

He makes a big show of opposing Bush, then votes for what he just opposed.

I'll believe it when I see it.

E-mail: senator@biden.senate.gov

Phone: (202) 224-5042