Iraqis in Dearborn Michigan Dance in The Streets

Being shown on Iraq state run television.......I say if they are happy the man they feared is dead I suggest they go down to the recruiters office on Wendsday and sign up and volunteer to go and put their lives on the line and allow a soldier who doesn't share the same spirit to come home.......They are abusing yours and my freedoms that our forefathers died for here....

They are pissing me off...

We are using the Dearborn video in an attempt to get the Iraqis out in the streets for TV-made celebrations in Iraq. Pretty transparent media manipulation/psyop work...

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Why would we be showing it other than for nefarious reasons?

Very troubling.

we found out he was dead?

On American TV, it makes sense, because they are Americans. However, back in Iraq? Why should Americans be on in Iraq? It just smacks of propaganda.

the U.S. press isn't going to release any "unapproved" video...

but I'm afraid that you may be absolutely correct.

Regardless, they have every right to express themselves as they see fir.

quite frankly it's blatant propaganda. Why don't they show the actual Iraqis dancing in the street? Oh wait, they can't because any gathering of Iraqis may explode.

They have the same First Amendment right to express their opinions as any of the rest of us. How are they abusing our freedoms? I imagine that many Iraqis who live in the U.S. are here because they wanted to get away from Saddam Hussein's government. Why shouldn't they be glad he's dead? Not saying that I approve of the execution (I don't approve of executing anybody), but I can certainly understand why some Iraqi expats are glad he's gone.

Is this footage being used by our government for propaganda purposes? Sure. But that doesn't mean the people in Dearborn have to sit down and shut up.

NOT OVER THERE FIGHTING FOR THEIR COUNTRY? Cheering on this 'event'.... What's wrong with this picture? I agree with your assessment. Peace.

On edit: just as the chicken hawk Republicans that refuse to go over there and fight in this war that they believe in .... I give no slack to these guys just shown on CNN either. Peace again.

Don't pull the mistaken identity b.s. on me. Americans or Iraqi's believing in this war should sign up and go fight it. Peace. :)

Whatever, look if they celebrate the death of Saddam because of some personal loss he caused them, but don't believe in this illegal war being waged ..... I might cut them some slack. Don't want to get in an argument here with you. Peace.

;) Peace.

so I can tell you they DO exist...

dancing and celebrating and my first thought, also, was why the hell aren't you in Iraq and fighting for your own country? No different from the Armchair Warriors and the Fighting Keyboard Commandos, huh?

causing panic and fear. Wonder how many are going to sign up to fight the war in their country.

They are very political.

Many are Middle/Upper Class and some are Republican.

:(

in Dearborn by Saddam. They left for a reason, right?

but why would they be showing it on Iraqi TV? It just smacks of propaganda.

seeing Muslims 'celebrating' AND mourning after 9/11. It boils down to what and who you believe.
Propaganda takes many forms.

It was old footage.

OT: How are you and happy holidays! I saw your gorgeous pup! I hope all is well.

ABC said it was footage of what people had said it was footage of, but that it was not authorized for release and should never have been shown.

It made a big splash. It was loudly debunked. And then it was quietly reinstated, but in a way that few noticed. It's hard to keep track.

:scared:

What's the chance that they'll return to Iraq now that we've made it a great place again.

the misadministration.

Big Arab population in that area. I think it's really a "Teror Watch Site", if I know anything about the idiots in Washington.

Hubby said the camera angles made it hard to tell how many "danced", but he was reminded of the 4 or 5 who danced in that other famous video.

Many came when Poppy Bush failed to provide any support for the Shia uprising. The one that Poppy personally encouraged.

Shia with money and culpability left ... quickly.

I somewhat understand their exhuberance, but the possibility of the US government providing .... ummm ... incentives for the celebration exists.

They had to leave Iraq or risk being killed. More power to them.

I just don't get it that there are so many people rejoicing in an execution of a person that didn't have anything to do with them.

But I will, just to add a bit of a different perspective.

A small Iraqi community has sprung up around where I work, and I see several of the same individuals on a monthly basis. Some speak English well and like to talk, which is something I tend to encourage in people who were raised in cultures other than my own.

One of these gentlemen came in today. He's lived in the US since the early 90's and is now a US citizen. I've never asked him how he came to be here; I figure it's none of my business and that if he wants to tell me, he will. But I have gathered enough to assume, I think safely, he fled Iraq with as much of his family he could gather at risk of life and limb, at least in part due to his opposition to Saddam. He quite simply loathes the man, the mere mention of him causing his jaws to tighten and a visible rush of blood to his dark face. Pertinent to note here, though, is that he's quite the student of American history and politics and blames a faction of the US itself for the existence of Saddam in the first place. (I really have no idea how he ended up here, in Oklahoma. He seems to have randomly stuck a pin in a map and chosen poorly, but he's a doctor, so maybe he saw some opportunity here he did not see elsewhere.) Also, he is outspoken in his opposition to the war the US has waged against his former country. He talks of the deaths of children while giving off a keen aura of deep sorrow, and he thinks of Bush as a madman.

Anyway, I asked him today what he thought of this "circus." He seemed confused by the question, so I pointed to a CNN crawl in he background that eventually mentioned "imminent execution" of Saddam.

"I would rather kill him myself," he said, rather subdued, but obviously not shedding any tears, and not expanding on the thought. He also spoke to me less than he normally does and said nothing else about that subject. He seemed deep in thought and a bit more aware of his surroundings, specifically the people around him, than normal.

My point? An opinion about Saddam's death doesn't necessarily have any bearing on one's position with regard to the war itself. I know people who were jubilant at the news of Reagan's demise, to the point of holding celebrations after it. I mention this not to praise or condemn that feeling, merely to note when one feels oppressed by an individual in power, one can quite easily feel jubilation, or something like it, at that individual's death, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it, often, in fact, in spite of them.

suggest that everyone go and join the thing?

Ya lost me.

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I want nothing to do with the Middle East or anyone in it, and I want none of those quarrels or their tiresome partisans over here.


Fuck off, all.

and that you have solar heat in your home?

... since ya want nothing to do with the Middle East and all, I assume that means you eschew the oil they pump out for our consumption...

jus' sayin'...

... an Arabic/Islamic social services agency.

Money talks.

their country.

Or is it Arabs in general who tend to tick you off?