This may seem very dumb to everyone, but I have a question about torture.

NYdemocrat089

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:12 PM
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This may seem very dumb to everyone, but I have a question about torture.

Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 04:13 PM by NYdemocrat089

Is torture still happening in Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan, and other locations on terrorists and other suspects by the US?
Did the McCain torture bill get passed? If it did, did Bush veto it or not?

Thanks!
:hi:

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negativenihil

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:13 PM
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1. Bush hasn't veto'ed *anything* so far n/t

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NYdemocrat089

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:14 PM
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2. So does that mean that there isn't any more prisoner torture going on?

Thanks!

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TomInTib

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:16 PM
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5. Are you kidding? As long as there is any conflict anywhere...

there will be torture.

Always has been, always will be.

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NYdemocrat089

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:17 PM
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7. Thank you.

Sorry, I wasn't kidding. I know this might seem dumb, but I'm just trying to be sure.

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TomInTib

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:21 PM
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8. Sorry, that was a purely rhetorical query. Nothing dumb about it.

Unfortunately, I know more about that crap than I ever wanted to know.

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Norquist Nemesis

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:14 PM
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3. As to #2, Bush put a "signing statement" with the bill

which basically said, I'll interpret this bill however the hell I choose to. <thumbs nose to Congress>

Not a peep out of Congress about that though. If he had vetoed it, Congress had the votes to override. He went the signing statement route.

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TomInTib

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:14 PM
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4. Bush signed it and then issued a "signing statement" that...

basically de-fanged it.

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ChairmanAgnostic

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:17 PM
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6. According to some reports, we have passed on those duties to Iraqis

Of course, in Gitmo, we continue to do the same.

McCain's bill was trashed the minute it was signed. Tsar Bush executed (bad choice of words) an order which emasculated, castrated, sterilized, erased, and beheaded the languange and intent of the bill.

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Vincardog

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:30 PM
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9. But where is the Constitution does he have the power to issue "Signing

Statements"? The constitution I read said he can Sign Veto or Pocket Veto, it did not say one mumbling word about any BS Signing Statement.

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ChairmanAgnostic

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:44 PM
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16. ah, there you go again, raising the rule of law in conj. w/ the Bush admin

Shame, shame, shame, You should know by now that laws don't apply to the Bushes. Why? Because. It's a secret, national security, Orange alert, double secret probation thing.

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stop the bleeding

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:32 PM
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10. No such thing as dumb questions - just dumb answers and statement

Ask always ask, that is what DU is for.

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Bridget Burke

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:35 PM
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11. When Bush is involved, dumbness abounds.

How many IQ points do we lose for every minute we listen to his mangling of the English language?

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stop the bleeding

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:39 PM
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14. LOL - it takes certains kinds of "strategery" that I learned off of the

"internets" to keep from loosing brain cells

"Fool me once uhhh shame on you.......... Fool me twice uhhh uhhh .... I can't be fooled again" " heh heh heh"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Ksec

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:36 PM
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12. The definition is still insane?

Have they changed that yet or is it still the "organ failure" definition the bushites dreamed up?

If so , torture is still happening.

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Jemmons

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:36 PM
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13. A distinctively American form of torture

Patricia Goldsmith has a look at the seemingly "light" form of torture sponsored by the US administration and notes that what CIA learned was that what really works is selfinflicted pain: Pain and injury from selfimposed (under severe threats) stress positions like the ones depicted in the Abu Gharib pictures is the most effective means to break down the psyche of a prisoner, more effective than pure physical torture or drugs like LSD.

...Looked at this way, you can understand their refusal to renounce their new "flexible" interrogation techniques and release Guantanamo detainees, even though prisoners who've been held for years are increasingly unlikely to possess urgent, actionable information. The fact is, Guantanamo is nothing less than a dream laboratory for those who've been working on psy-ops theory for decades:

Now, this produced a distinctively American form of torture, the first real revolution in the cruel science of pain in centuries, psychological torture, and it's the one that's with us today, and it's proved to be a very resilient, quite adaptable, and an enormously destructive paradigm.

Let's make one thing clear. Americans refer to this often times in common parlance as "torture light." Psychological torture, people who are involved in treatment tell us it's far more destructive, does far more lasting damage to the human psyche than does physical torture. ... It is far crueler than physical torture. This is something we don't realize in this country. ...

Source and more:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/06/02/28_psyops.html

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Jemmons

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Wed Mar-01-06 04:40 PM
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15. Also check out this thread on the use of torture:

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=225445

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