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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:02 PM
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they really are insane - they want to program & control sharks

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/mech-tech/mg18925416.300.html



Stealth sharks to patrol the high seas


IMAGINE getting inside the mind of a shark: swimming silently through the ocean, sensing faint electrical fields, homing in on the trace of a scent, and navigating through the featureless depths for hour after hour.

We may soon be able to do just that via electrical probes in the shark's brain. Engineers funded by the US military have created a neural implant designed to enable a shark's brain signals to be manipulated remotely, controlling the animal's movements, and perhaps even decoding what it is feeling.

That team is among a number of groups around the world that have gained ethical approval to develop implants that can monitor and influence the behaviour of animals, from sharks and tuna to rats and monkeys. These researchers hope such implants will improve our understanding of how the animals interact with their environment, as well as boosting research into tackling human paralysis.

More controversially, the Pentagon hopes to exploit sharks' natural ability to glide quietly through the water, sense delicate electrical gradients and follow chemical trails. By remotely guiding the sharks' movements, they hope to transform the animals into stealth spies, perhaps capable of following vessels without being spotted. The project, funded by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), based in Arlington, Virginia, was presented at the Ocean Sciences Meeting in Honolulu, Hawaii, last week.
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if these 4 paragraphs don't make all kinds of connections in your mind .....


somebody better stop the bushmilhousegang
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:05 PM
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1. Implants to influence animal behavior. hmmm...
..of course, such things are "woo-woo" and shouldn't be even considered real by "rational", "scientific" people...
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:07 PM
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2. Next thing you know...
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 01:07 PM by Reverend_Smitty
they'll want to attach friggen laser beams to their heads!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:10 PM
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3. Spies.
...controlling the animal's movements...

Espionage, bombs, etc. They were doing something like that with trained dolphins. Now, the animals won't have to be trained. They'll be "guided" missiles.

What a misuse of wildlife.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:12 PM
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4. Hey get used it it
Imagine how neat it will be when they start using neural implants to program and control us humans.


To show to what extremes the CIA is willing to go in developing the technology to control human behavior, they funded the "research" of Dr. Jose Delgado. Delgado was infamous for implanting radio-activated electrodes in animals (and possibly in humans).

In the pictures to the left he is demonstrating that his implants in a bull's brain can stop it even after it starts to charge Delgado.

You may get a slight whiff of sulphur and brimstone as you read this quote from Delgado:


"We need a program of psychosurgery and political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated.

"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective.

"Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electrical stimulation of the brain."


Dr. Jose Delgado (MKULTRA experimenter who demonstrated a radio-controlled bull on CNN in 1985)
Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School
Congressional Record No. 26, Vol. 118, February 24, 1974


From Brainwashing America by Dr. Norman Livergood
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:26 PM
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5. The program is already in place.
Over 35% of the U.S. population already has the implants.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:59 PM
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8. Makes perfect sense and sure would explain Fox News. n/t
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:32 PM
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6. Gold Dick, Bond's newest nemesis! n/t
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 01:55 PM
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7. Sharks are not controllable - some scientists dreamed up this nonsense.
Sharks are eating machines, plain and simple. They have survived for thousands of years unchanged and their deeply ingrained instincts cannot be overcome by artificial neural signals. The receptors cannot even be implanted in the sharks, but will be attached to their bodies, thus easily damaged or knocked off. The idea is that the sonar signals to the implants will simulate signals the shark recognizes as coming from a food source. Biologists specializing in the study of sharks have noted that they are very sensitive - even high strung. Their impulse is to seek out food. Given artificial neural signals to this external attachment, trying to control the direction in which this animal swims, versus natural sensory input from an immediately present dead whale or other food source, that is to say, given two impulses running counter to each other, the animal becomes CONFUSED. Then you get "flash behavior". The energy of thwarted instinctive behavior flashes across, as it were, into other channels. The animal then behaves in a way which is not at all motivated by the actual situation.
The Navy plans to attach these receptors to blue sharks and release them off the coast of Florida. Since sharks are often found in groups, imagine that the sonar receptor sending out "food" signals attracts other sharks who will attack the shark that is the source of the food signal. Or , in the stressful confusion of receiving two conflicting impulses, it could stimulate the shark to attack people in the water. For example: (From the book, Great Shark Writings, edited by Valerie and Ron Taylor, 1978, p. 142)

"A further observation by (American biologist, Eugenie) Clark is no less enlightening. On July 27, 1958, not far from her institute, a shark only six feet long bit an eight-year-old boy whose leg had to be amputated immediately. As she discovered, the accident happened at very low tide, in a lagoon in which the shark had obviously become trapped. When the low tide came, it could not get back across the bank into the sea. This STATE OF CONFUSION (emphasis added)may, she thinks,have been the reason why when it say the boy's light-colored legs in the cloudy water it swam in biting."

I'm sure some scientists wrote up a very detailed, complex research/grant proposal to get a big fat grant for this project. It will pay their salaries for several years, but with no chance of practical applications. The last I read they were able to get a little dogfish to turn right or left in a tank by electrical signals that wouldn't even travel through water, so the fish had to be in shallow water with an antenna attached to it and sticking up above the surface! It has been said, and I tend to agree, that divers who work in the areas of the ocean where sharks are prevalent, learn far more about these creatures in a few months than the most industrious scientist who never sets foot in the water could ever learn on land.
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 02:41 PM
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9. All I'm asking for is some sharks with fricking laser beams on their head!
I bet right now, Mike Myers is wetting his pants laughing about this.
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