Bush Adviser Pipes: "Civil War in Iraq would not be that bad

for our Interests." Who is the "our" that he refers to? Certainly not that of the working people of the Untied States, or that of the Iraqi people, but of an elite who want to expand US empire in the region.

One has to give Daniel Pipes credit for one thing, the transparency of his hate for the people of the Middle East (excepting Israel).

Who is this man? Daniel Pipes was appointed by President Bush during the Summer Congressional recess in August 2003 (to avoid a problem with Congress, why should Bush's appointments be questioned by anyone?) to the the board of United States Institute of Peace, a Congressionally sponsored think tank dedicated to "the peaceful resolution of international conflicts." He served there until the end of 2004. Before that Pipes was a key adviser to Bush Jr. in supporting an escalation in the war against Iraq.

For those few Americans who still believe that the war was about "liberating Iraq" from Saddam, one should look at what Pipes has said in the past, and what he is saying now. His motives are certainly not humanitarian.

In the April 27, 1987 issue of The New Republic, Mr. Pipes and Laurie Mylroie authored an article supporting the arming of the "hideous totalitarian thug" Saddam with military arms, during the Iraq/Iran war. You can read a copy of that here: Tomjoad.org (scroll down a bit and click for the pdf copy... not perfect, but straight out of the public library. Since it is for educational purposes and no profit, it is fair use).

What is he saying now about the growing violence in Iraq among different groups?
It is not really that bad, and might work for "our" interests.
* Instead of attacking coalition forces, warring sectarian groups will attack each other!

* Effectively shutdown the rush to the formation of Democratic governments in middle east countries that have so far been electing and legitimizing radical Islamists!

* Reduce Western casualties outside Iraq {because} when Sunni terrorists target Shiites and vice-versa, non-Muslims are less likely to be hurt!

* Draw Syrians and Iranians into the conflict which increases the possibility of American confrontation with those two states!
See here for source

It is true that Saddam was a disaster in many ways for Iraq and most of the world. However what does it say about the Bush regime when it trusts so much the words of Pipes, who obviously has no real concern for the lives of the Iraqi people, and sees the people of the Middle East as he would pieces on a chess board. After all, Pipes saw no problem with arming Saddam when he was killing the most people, both Iraqi soldiers and Iranian people. To Pipes, such people were expendable. Pipes is no less a monster than Saddam.

That's how they see them.

War appears inevitable now, they have to paint it as "not that bad" or actually "good!"

Pipes exposure day at DU!

I remember him being interviewed as an ostensible Middle East "expert" on some cable news shows before the Iraq invasion. He's one of those people who acts so rational but you can tell he's totally crazy and hateful -- always made my skin crawl. I just got a visceral feeling that this is an evil dude.

http://www.tomjoad.org/adl_supportspipes.htm

I wish i were making this stuff up. But its the sorry truth. Seems like the ADL lost its way since it stood against all kinds of racism. Now it just stands for promoting Israeli policies.

X therefore Y is the only correlation of which he's capable of grasping. When the nuance goes beyond the simple depth of zero, he's braindead. His reputation as a thinker is grotesquely overstated.
The Professor

goddamit - they are building houses on top of our oil!!!

informed, Tom. How Bush had the gall to put him on the board of the Institute of Peace is appalling. The only way was through that recess appointment, because any exposure of what this guy really stands for would have meant he would never have been confirmed. (At least, that's what I'd like to believe.)

Recommend this, everybody, so more DUers can learn about Pipes, and GWB's conception of "peace."

Sometimes I think Bush does stuff like this specifically to piss people off. He appoints Bolton to the UN, Wolfowitz to the World Bank, and smirks.

More info on this loon from Mother Jones: http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2003/05/we_420_01.html

Looks like he's a good pal of another creep, Frank Gaffney. Not surprising.

Then they can put in all the pipelines and anything else they want with no press or government to stop them or even notice.

It's plain as day. They WANT a Crusade. They WANT a Hundred Years War. They WANT to see if they can bring about the prophecies of Revelations.

They are all fucking insane.

They have aligned themselves with the Fundaloon End Timers. The PNACers just have the more mundane 'rule the world' megalomania.

However the motivation for destabilization is out there and is valid. All the 'we just want peace and stability but we are incompetent' nay-sayers need to pay attention. 'We' never intended peace and stability after we toppled Saddam. 'We' did the analysis in 91 - out with Saddam in with an Iraqi Shiite theocracy. 'We' voted no back then and 'we' didn't suddenly get amnesia 12 years later. There will be no stable shiite theocratic regime in Iraq. That regime would be aligned with Iran and would be the basis for a dominant shiite block in the region, led by Iran and in control of a vast amount of the dwindling cheap oil resources of the planet. That prospect is simply not in our game plan and the rest of us had better get a grip on that reality. Keep dreaming that what we have seen over the last three years is just the result of bumbling incompetency. Keep telling yourself that, if you find it comforting, but it is the narrative they want you to believe because the reality is vile beyond comprehension.

They didn't mention the part about the oil pipelines, but they spelled out their intentions in "A Clean Break."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x590705

Thanks for the information on Pipes.

w/those Muhammad cartoons? Or am I imagining that?

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"You have to admit Germany its clear right to rid itself of its Jews. But one must insist that it happens in a decent manner." -- From an editorial in the Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, on the events of Kristallnacht, 9 Nov 1938

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2006/02/quote_of_the_we_1.html

years of experience reporting in the Middle East. I highly reccomend that you listen to this audio.

http://www.mereislam.info/2006/02/danish-cartoons-double-standards-and.html



Fucking hypocrite...

Thanks for posting this Tom. :thumbsup:

who'd have to get out really fast!!

wow

http://www.tomjoad.org/pipes.htm

Keep it handy for your cousin/coworker/brother-in-law/ who still believes that Bush went in there with the best of intentions. If he had advisors who supported arming Saddam, I think that negates that whole arguement.

people.

:sarcasm: :argh:

went to spread freedom. Now their telling us we went to provoke a civil war?????

before it became indeniable to the general public, the repubs suddenly stopped talking of WMD... cos they have the intel. Now they're changing to 'civil war's a good thing' therefore if Iraq does go into civil war soon, that's all the statistaical correspondence you need to wacth the hawks and whatnot and when they suddenly change tack, use that to guess what intel they have but their hiding.
Then, kick the bastards out, and STOP THIS MADNESS! If the world thinks that America let civil war happen (Which it will), that's what the next generation of Iraqis will think... and I shudder to think what they'll do about it.

It's sort of an excuse smorgasbord. Whichever excuse works best for each of us is the one we should believe, i guess.
The Professor