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Ufomammut Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 07:52 PM
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Former Reagan admin Member: Americans Dumber Than Bush
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11696.htm

Polls Show Many Americans are Simply Dumber Than Bush

By Paul Craig Roberts

01/29/06 "ICH" -- -- Two recent polls, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll and a New York Times/CBS News poll, indicate why Bush is getting away with impeachable offenses. Half of the US population is incapable of acquiring, processing and understanding information.

Much of the problem is the media itself, which serves as a disinformation agency for the Bush administration. Fox "News" and right-wing talk radio are the worst, but with propagandistic outlets setting the standard for truth and patriotism, all of the media is affected to some degree.

Despite the media's failure, about half the population has managed to discern that the US invasion of Iraq has not made them safer and that the Bush administration's assault on civil liberties is not a necessary component of the war on terror. The problem, thus, lies with the absence of due diligence on the part of the other half of the population.

Consider the New York Times/CBS poll. Sixty-four percent of the respondents have concerns about losing civil liberties as a result of anti-terrorism measures put in place by President Bush. Yet, 53
percent approve of spying without obtaining court warrants "in order to reduce the threat of terrorism."

Why does any American think that spying without a warrant has any more effect in reducing the threat of terrorism than spying with a warrant? The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which Bush is disobeying, requires the executive to obtain from a secret panel of federal judges a warrant for spying on Americans. The purpose of the law is to prevent a president from spying for partisan political reasons. The law permits the president to spy first (for 72 hours) and then come to the court for permission. As the court meets in secret, spying without a warrant is no more effective in reducing the threat of terrorism than spying with a warrant.

Instead of explaining this basic truth, the media has played along with the Bush administration and formulated the question as a trade-off between civil liberties and protection from terrorists. This formulation is false and nonsensical. Why does the media enable the Bush administration to escape accountability for illegal behavior by putting false and misleading choices before the people?

The LA Times/Bloomberg poll has equally striking anomalies. Only 43 percent said they approved of Bush's performance as president. But a majority believe Bush's policies have made the US more secure.

It is extraordinary that anyone would think Americans are safer as a result of Bush invading two Muslim countries and constantly threatening two more with military attack. The invasions and threats have caused a dramatic swing in Muslim sentiment away from the US.
Prior to Bush's invasion of Iraq, a large majority of Muslims had a favorable opinion of America. Now only about 5 percent do.

A number of US commanders in Iraq and many Middle East experts have told the American public that the three year-old war in Iraq is serving both to recruit and to train terrorists for al Qaeda, which has grown many times its former size. Moreover, the US military has concluded that al Qaeda has succeeded in having its members elected to the new Iraqi government.

We have seen similar developments both in Egypt and in Pakistan. In the recent Egyptian elections, the radical Muslim Brotherhood, despite being suppressed by the Egyptian government, won a large number of seats. In Pakistan elements friendly or neutral toward al Qaeda control about half of the government. In Iraq, Bush's invasion has replaced secular Sunnis with Islamist Shia allied with Iran.

And now with the triumph of Hamas in the Palestinian election, we see the total failure of Bush's Middle Eastern policy. Bush has succeeded in displacing secular moderates from Middle Eastern governments and replacing them with Islamic extremists. It boggles the mind that this disastrous result makes Americans feel safer!

What does it say for democracy that half of the American population is unable to draw a rational conclusion from unambiguous facts?

Americans share this disability with the Bush administration.
According to news reports, the Bush administration is stunned by the election victory of the radical Islamist Hamas Party, which swept the US-financed Fatah Party from office. Why is the Bush administration astonished?

The Bush administration is astonished because it stupidly believes that hundreds of millions of Muslims should be grateful that the US has interfered in their internal affairs for 60 years, setting up colonies and puppet rulers to suppress their aspirations and to achieve, instead, purposes of the US government.

Americans need desperately to understand that 95 percent of all Muslim terrorists in the world were created in the past three years by Bush's invasion of Iraq.

Americans need desperately to comprehend that if Bush attacks Iran and Syria, as he intends, terrorism will explode, and American civil liberties will disappear into a thirty year war that will bankrupt the United States.

The total lack of rationality and competence in the White House and the inability of half of the US population to acquire and understand information are far larger threats to Americans than terrorism.

America has become a rogue nation, flying blind, guided only by ignorance and hubris. A terrible catastrophe awaits.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com
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Paul Craig Roberts is also one of many prominent establishment types claiming that the crimes of 9/11 were likely an inside job.

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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 07:54 PM
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1. Duh?
I just don't get it....that's kinda hard reading ya know...:sarcasm:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 09:52 AM
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27. yeah, can some one read this to me, and skip the big words?
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 07:58 PM
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2. During Sunday School
Bush dozed off during the ignorance-is-not-bliss-lesson. Bush loves ignorant people.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 07:59 PM
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3. I believe it. My rethug brother-in-law believes wrestling is real and
NASCAR is a sport. Round and round, oh round and round.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:03 PM
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4. Ufomammut please read this
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 08:04 PM by proud patriot
In the future please limit your snips of articles
to 4 paragraphs as per the Democratic Underground
copyright rules .

proud patriot Moderator
Democratic Underground
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:03 PM
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5. He claims 9/11 was an inside job?
There went his credibility. And I was really enjoying that piece too.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:32 PM
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15. Actually, that comment seems to have been added by Poster
It is not in original story - I believe its an opinion, not fact about Mr. Craig-Roberts opinion of 9/11.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:03 PM
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6. That was great!


I have wondered the same thing when reading the polls. I guess the "Republicans are stronger on Defense Democrats are pussies" traditional wisdom is hard to defeat.
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Ufomammut Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:23 PM
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7. Neocons insane as Nazi party
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050908insidejob911

Top Politicians, Economists, Other Leaders
State 9/11 Possibly an Inside Job

Former Chief Economist under President Bush, Morgan Reynolds

Assistant Secretary of Treasury under Pres. Reagan, Paul Roberts

U.S. Senator Mark Dayton

U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney

Renowned Theologian Prof. David Ray Griffin

Head of Advanced Space Programs, Dept. of Defense, Robert Bowman

UK Minister of Environment (1997 - 2003), Michael Meacher

Assistant Secretary of Housing For Pres. Bush, Catherine Austin Fitts

9/11 statement signed by 100 prominent Americans, 40 9/11 family members
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Go to site for links/info.
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More on Paul Craig Roberts, the Bushco, and 9/11:

"Former Asst. Sec. Of Treasury Under Reagan Doubts Official 9/11 Story; Claims Neo Con Agenda Is As 'Insane As Hitler And Nazi Party When They Invaded Russia In Dead Of Winter'"

http://www.middleeast.org/read.cgi?category=Magazine&num=1287&standalone=0&month=6&year=2005&function=text
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:46 PM
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8. Oh! This is absolutely right on the bullseye.
He addresses the main concerns. And nails it with the fact that WE the people are letting it happen. And to think of who he is. This is a man from Reagan's administration, speaking.


Yet another sliver of light through the darkness. But I am afraid that our troubles are deeply rooted in the ignorance of the American public. I am both optimistic and pessimistic. I want to believe that we will pull out of this. But I know what it takes. If I am on DU, then it can happen. From drunkeness and Green Acres, to paying attention. That's my story. Now for the other half of this nation to awaken and learn. Please!
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:46 PM
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9. In the absense of Truth, Bushit rules.
The thing is you have to search for the kernels of truth and dig them out of the MSM and weed out the lies. In order to do that, a person must have been to an alternative news source that isn't pushing the rethuglican agenda/propoganda.

It takes time and sleepless nights to keep up with it all and the avalanche of disinformation is staggering to deal with.

My fairly normal husband watched the CSpan hearings on Roberts and he was taking the "somewhere in the middle" philosophy and I had to tell him, "No, the DEMs are being polite and the rethugs are lying their asses off. So believe every word the DEMs say and understand they aren't putting it all out there, just hitting the highlights. He is WORSE than they can prove, but what they can prove is disturbing enough."

Also, consider how Blackwell sat on the facts that proved he violated election laws because he was the one who was responsible for running a clean election and he simply refused to cooperate until after the electoral vote went through and technically it became a moot point.

Facts we are allowed to have are often old and have lost their impact, especially when the disinformation is flowing like free beer and what we are offering up is much more sobering.

I'd truly RATHER believe that *ush et al aren't as corrupt as I know them to be because I love my country and I struggle to come to terms with the damage this group has managed to do with their lies and smear tactics and outright selling America to the highest bidders.

The more I learn, the more I grieve the loss of this great nation. Part of me wishes I could be stupid enough to refuse to see the truth, forget what I know. This evil administration is unfailing in their insipd grasp, like a fast growing plant in some horror film and I fight and fight and come up for air never seeing an end in sight.

It's like finding out you have a terminal illness. The mind balks, "But I feel fine. There must be some mistake." .... "How can anyone be as corrupt as this administration? There must be some way this is all wrong. America's freedoms and dreams can't be dying right before our eyes."

People have to get the facts and then find a niche for themselves where they can bear the truth and believe "This fight to the death isn't going to kick my ass in the first or second round."


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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:53 PM
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10. "Many Americans dumber than Bush" So sad, so horrifying, so true.
This is really what we're fighting against, and it IS an uphill battle.

Hard to convince people about danger when they understand so little, and believe so much.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:20 AM
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16. Short. Simple. Succinct. BEAUTIFUL!!!
quoting you:

"Hard to convince people about danger when they understand so little, and believe so much."

...they understand so little, and believe so much.

That explains so much. I might add, they seem to have no curiosity.

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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 08:53 PM
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11. Some call you dumber than a rock....
I call you his base.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 11:25 PM
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14. ROFLMAO! nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:02 PM
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12. A terrible catastrophe awaits
scary.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 09:15 PM
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13. An interesting view of the states.
LIST STATE IQ ELECT

1 Connecticut 113 John Kerry
2 Massachusetts 111 John Kerry
3 New Jersey 111 John Kerry
4 New York 109 John Kerry
5 Rhode Island 107 John Kerry
6 Hawaii 106 John Kerry
7 Maryland 105 John Kerry
8 New Hampshire 105 John Kerry
9 Illinois 104 John Kerry
10 Delaware 103 John Kerry
11 Minnesota 102 John Kerry
12 Vermont 102 John Kerry
13 Washington 102 John Kerry
14 California 101 John Kerry
15 Pennsylvania 101 John Kerry
16 Maine 100 John Kerry
17 Virginia 100 George Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 John Kerry
19 Colorado 99 George Bush
20 Iowa 99 George Bush
21 Michigan 99 John Kerry
22 Nevada 99 George Bush
23 Ohio 99 George Bush
24 Oregon 99 John Kerry
25 Alaska 98 George Bush
26 Florida 98 George Bush
27 Missouri 98 George Bush
28 Kansas 96 George Bush
29 Nebraska 95 George Bush
30 Arizona 94 George Bush
31 Indiana 94 George Bush
32 Tennessee 94 George Bush
33 North Carolina 93 George Bush
34 West Virginia 93 George Bush
35 Arkansas 92 George Bush
36 Georgia 92 George Bush
37 Kentucky 92 George Bush
38 New Mexico 92 George Bush
39 North Dakota 92 George Bush
40 Texas 92 George Bush
41 Alabama 90 George Bush
42 Louisiana 90 George Bush
43 Montana 90 George Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 George Bush
45 South Dakota 90 George Bush
46 South Carolina 89 George Bush
47 Wyoming 89 George Bush
48 Idaho 87 George Bush
49 Utah 87 George Bush
50 Mississippi 85 George Bush
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Bushy Being Born Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 05:29 AM
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19. Interesting if it wasn't false
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:31 AM
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17. Wow!
Welcome to DU :hi:

Bookmarking.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:46 AM
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18. hmmmmm
If this guy looks like he is on our side and insults much of the population, who gains?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 05:38 AM
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20. And this snide bastard participated in the dumming down of
America by working with the party that actively PLANNED to bring the nation down. People like this man just piss me off. How dare they come out wagging their fingers and tut-tutting after spending years lining up behind the insane philosophies, policies, and strategies that the Republican put out there to gain power. Damn them all to hell.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 06:04 AM
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21. I blame right-wing hate radio and lack of Air America stations
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 06:17 AM
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22. Americans are no dumber than they have ever been.
It just happens that they can't vote anymore, or rather they can vote but the vote is irrelevant.

Everyday this becomes more obvious -- as if it wasn't already obvious beginning with the 02 fraud in GA.

Restore the right to vote and all of a sudden Americans will be geniuses.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 06:17 AM
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23. Maybe if we put our message in"coloring books".
Seriously, I think it has something to do with TV! Short attention spans can't connect the dots. It's a hardwire problem.
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:29 AM
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24. Superb!
There are a few dense friends I can't wait to email this to.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:35 AM
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25. Sleep in the bed you made; mf'r.
apologize for helping Regan and maybe I'll admit I know you're right.
Ek.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 08:35 AM
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26. Alec Baldwin Once Said...
That Republicans have no critical-thinking skills. And the LA Times recently condemned him for it in an editorial. Sorry, LA Times, but Baldwin is right. And I felt they lacked critical-thinking skills before he said it. No actor has to tell me what to believe, despite what Republicans may think about Democrats.

Tammy
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:42 PM
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28. Public dumber than Bush? Thank a teacher!
I was aware of it when I was in high school, and the adnimistration proved incompetent in handling a student-led riot. I became even more aware of it when I tried doing some volunteer work for a school district, helping them put together a radio station (which the school administration shut down after one week of operation; no supervision or idea of what they wanted it for besides bragging rights).

And I really became aware of it during the decade that I dated a teacher, and discovered that the "evil administration" was half the problem - teachers are the other half. (Did I forget to mention ex-girlfriend?)

Very simply, with very few exceptions, teachers don't care about imparting knowledge as much as they enjoy bullying students. School administrators don't care about assisting the education process as much as keeping their politically-based jobs. And the kids being taught become cynical, not just about the process of learning, but about knowledge itself.

It's really easy to blame a corrupt media for misleading the public. But at least the people who appear on the air aren't trying to dominate and psychologically intimidate their audience. That's the whole reason - the real bonus - that keeps most teachers on their low-paying jobs.

Bitter? Cynical? I only report what I have seen.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 03:44 PM
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29. Bush is the con man and his supporters are the conned.
Case closed.
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Ufomammut Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-10-06 04:02 PM
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30. That's only part of it
The systems and mechanisms for thought control in democratic societies have been in place for a very long time. There are many factors that have contributed to the "dumbing down" of America, most of which has to do with encouraging people to turn a blind eye to solidarity and concern for the welfare of others.

However, supporters of Bushco fall into two primary camps:
1) Those in the dark
2) Those of the dark...
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:00 PM
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31. This is an outstadingly well written condemnation
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