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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:32 AM
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The Bush-Hitler Comparisons Are TRUE and VASTLY UNDERSTATED -->
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 12:27 PM by Dr. Jones
This explains, at least in part, why Bush desired to open up our ports to a country that had the potential to be very damaging to our national security. It also explains why Bush has strong ties with these countries who have a poor record on human rights, harbor terrorists, and finance terrorism.

High crimes and misdemeanors, treason, and sedition are simply par for the course in the Bush family. It's all about business and money despite the national security implications.


These and other actions taken by the U.S. government in wartime were, tragically, too little and too late. President Bush's family had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany; in financing and managing the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S.A.; and in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with their well-known results.

The facts presented here must be known, and their implications reflected upon, for a proper understanding of President George Herbert Walker Bush and of the danger to mankind that he represents. The President's family fortune was largely a result of the Hitler project. The powerful Anglo-American family associations, which later boosted him into the Central Intelligence Agency and up to the White House, were his father's partners in the Hitler project.

President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news,@s4 explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the `` Thyssen family '' of `` Germany and/or Hungary ''--`` nationals ... of a designated enemy country. ''

By deciding that Prescott Bush and the other directors of the Union Banking Corp. were legally front men for the Nazis, the government avoided the more important historical issue: In what way were Hitler's Nazis themselves hired, armed and instructed by the New York and London clique of which Prescott Bush was an executive manager? Let us examine the Harriman-Bush Hitler project from the 1920s until it was partially broken up, to seek an answer for that question.

Source: http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:36 AM
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1. I agree and recommend! eom
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:37 AM
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2. k&r
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 11:38 AM by Atman
This is one of those subjects that often draws more irate responses than saying "Hillary Sucks!"

:popcorn:
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:41 AM
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3. You mention this to a freeper and their eyes just glaze over and they
put their fingers in their ears.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:43 AM
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4. How Will History Treat George Bush?
An email I received on the subject..

Do read to the end.........

How Will History Treat George Bush?
by Richard W. Behan

The defining feature of George W. Bush's presidency will be his Global
War on Terror.
President Bush has carefully, deliberately, and effectively enshrined
The Global War on Terror in the American psyche. It is the centerpiece of
his presidency, and he never tires of describing himself as a "war
president." He claims no prouder achievement.

How will the history books, then, describe George Bush and his war?
Might they speak as follows? :

"It started when the government, in the midst of an economic crisis,
received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue
had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely
ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew,
however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. But the
warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part
because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader
had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens
claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted.

He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw
things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand
the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world.

His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a
southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory
nationalistic rhetoric offended foreign leaders, and the well-educated
elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a
secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation
rituals that involved skulls and human bones.

Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he
didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response. When
an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious buildings were
ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed
to the scene and called a press conference.

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he
proclaimed, standing in front of the ruins, surrounded by national
media. "This," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the
beginning."
He used the occasion - "a sign from God," he called it - to declare an
all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said,
who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their
evil deeds in their religion.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular
leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism
and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended
constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police
could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be
imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers;
police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved
terrorism. To get his patriotic legislation passed over the objections of
concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset
provision on it.

Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal police
agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious persons and
holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the first year
only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected were largely
ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to offend and thus lose access
to a leader with such high popularity ratings. Citizens who protested the
leader in public - and there were many - quickly found themselves
confronting the newly empowered police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in
protest zones safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In
the meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking,
learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions.)

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion
of a political advisor, he argued that any international body that didn't
act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither
relevant nor useful.

He orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply
religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, he determined that the various
local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear
communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal
with the terrorist threat facing the nation. He proposed a single new
national agency to protect the security of the homeland, consolidating the
actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and
investigative agencies under a single leader.

He appointed one of his most trusted associates to be leader of this new
agency, and gave it a role in the government equal to the other major
departments.

To consolidate his power, he concluded that government alone wasn't
enough.

He reached out to industry and forged an alliance, bringing former
executives of the nation's largest corporations into high government
positions. A flood of government money poured into corporate coffers to
prepare for war. He encouraged large corporations friendly to him to
acquire media outlets and other industrial concerns across the nation.
He built powerful alliances with industry; one corporate ally got the
lucrative contract worth millions to build the first large-scale
detention center. Soon more contracts would follow. Industry flourished.

He also reached out to the churches, declaring that the nation had clear
Christian roots, that any nation that didn't openly support religion was
morally bankrupt, and that his administration would openly and proudly
provide both moral and financial support to initiatives based on faith
to provide social services.

But after an interval of peace following the terrorist attack, voices of
dissent again arose within and without the government. Students started
an active program opposing him, and leaders of nearby nations were speaking
out against his bellicose rhetoric. He needed a diversion, something to
direct people away from the corporate cronyism being exposed in his own
government, questions of his possibly illegitimate rise to power, his
corruption of religious leaders, and the oft-voiced concerns of civil
libertarians about the people being held in detention without due
process or access to attorneys or family.

With his number two man - a master at manipulating the media - he began
a campaign to convince the people of the nation that a small, limited war
was necessary. Another nation was harboring many of the suspicious people,
and even though its connection with the terrorist who had demolished the
nation's most conspicuous buildings was tenuous at best, it held
resources their nation badly needed if they were to maintain their
prosperity.

He called a press conference and publicly delivered an ultimatum to the
leader of the other nation, provoking an international uproar. He
claimed the right to strike preemptively in self-defense, and nations across
Europe- at first - denounced him for it.

It took a few months, and intense international debate and lobbying with
European nations, but, after he personally met with the leader of the
United Kingdom, finally a deal was struck."
*
*
*
And then George Bush invaded Iraq?
*
*
*
No, George Bush is not the central character here.


The paragraphs above were written by Thom Hartmann, describing the
ascendancy of Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany in the 1930's. With his
permission, they are reproduced here verbatim, except for some very
light editing (a few words were omitted to obscure the explicit German
context; nothing was added). The excerpt was taken from Chapter 4, "When
Democracy Failed," in Mr. Hartmann's book, What Would Jefferson Do? A Return
to Democracy.

The book is compelling reading, for it raises a compelling question:
where is our nation headed?


A word from Richard Behan

Appearing to be the "author" of this article requires no small degree of
impudence. Here, at the end, I am happy to repudiate any such claim, but
doing so served a purpose. Chapter 4 in Hartmann's book was simply gripping. Hitler's ascendance and the concurrent destruction of German democracy were deliberately, openly
posed as parallels to contemporary affairs in the U.S., a template
perhaps. But it was not a prediction, not a trite, fear-mongering argument
that "history repeats itself." Throughout the book, Hartmann's essential
theme is the erosion of American democracy, not that we are following in
lockstep the history of Nazi Germany.

Nevertheless, the uncanny, detailed similarities between the
personalities and behavior of Adolph Hitler and George W. Bush were
hair-raising. I wondered if the shock value of Hartmann's comparison could be distilled,
extracted, by isolating it from the complexities of his larger canvas,
and so I "composed" the piece here.

My doing so is unadorned hype. I want to draw yet more attention, as
quickly and starkly as possible, to the hideous presidency of George W.
Bush. Hitler succeeded because the German people were complacent, and
if a bit of literary shock and awe can help fight complacency here, I find
it gratifying to contribute.

Appearing as the "author" was part of the hype.

Richard W. Behan's last book was Plundered Promise: Capitalism,
Politics, and the Fate of the Federal Lands (Island Press, 2001). Behan is
currently working on a more broadly rendered critique, 'To Provide Against
Invasions: Corporate Dominion and America's Derelict Democracy.' He can be reached by email at rwbehan@rockisland.com.


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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:55 AM
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7. Wow, thank you for sharing this.
Actually I DID think they were talking about Bush there...until I read that it was Hitler's ascendancy. Wow! Yikes.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:18 PM
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11. Wow! Excellent find..... n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:22 PM
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15. Oh my.
:scared:
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:04 PM
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21. Very Good. I think their first five years ARE comparable.
I don't often enter the Hitler v. Bush discussion, mainly because most people's vision of Hitler is only the Final Solution era. For me, Hitler and Bush are similar in their first few years, the way they use scapegoats, the way they create crises, the way they appeal to hate, anger, revenge, and baser instincts.

Hitler was a lot smarter than Bush, and a lot more talented at speaking, but both used propaganda and intimidation domestically to beat back their opposition.

Bush is a Hitler wannabe.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 06:56 AM
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34. I knew it wasn't Bush here: "rushed to the scene" after the terror attack
Bush wandered around the country in a traumatized state for several days before the "man with a bullhorn" scene was staged by press aides.

Otherwise, uncanny parallels. Thanks for sharing this Hartmann piece with us.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:50 AM
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5. Pleaple who think Bush is like Hitler needs to remember a couple things...
....first, Hitler could speak in complete sentences for hours on end. Yes, it was rambling and scary but he could do it. They did NOT come from similar childhood backgrounds, and theres more.

For a much better comparison of Bush to another world figure - not necessarily a good one either - people need to check this link out.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x196349
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:52 AM
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6. The differences are huge. Most obviously,
Hitler was elected.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:20 PM
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27. Actually, the reverse is true.
Bush was _legally_ elected twice (remember, we don't have direct elections) and Hitler was appointed to chancellor.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:29 PM
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29. and he served his country
in a military capacity.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:04 PM
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25. Carefull! I tried to make the same point yesterday and was called
a Nazi apologist before the whole discussion was hoovered.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:41 PM
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31. Cultural context
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 04:44 PM by loyalsister
An analogy is similarity of effect not necessarily actual characteristics.
In American culture, people have neglected over and over again to consider the possibility that Bush's tendencies toward mangling speech, etc are intentional or at least exagerated and have the intended purpose to come across as an endearing person who cannot possibly be malicious. Just because you don't see him this way does not mean most people don't. Don't forget, he was re-elected!
Similarly Hitler seemed so intelligent that people believed he was in charge and was doing the right thing.
Bush's basic intelligence is probably pretty ordinary, but he is a master at image creation.
The thing they most have in common is being resolute and appearing as if they know what they are doing.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:01 PM
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8. I believe that Bush and his administration are also great
admirers of Stalin's methods of ruling.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:11 PM
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10. Don't forget the critical role of propaganda in both regimes
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:05 PM
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9. Depleted Uranium
Bush has condemned to death far, far more people than Hitler ever killed.

Support The Truth
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 03:01 AM
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33. Another CM (corporate media) deliberate cover up.
What does it take? This is a huge story, easily verifiable and far reaching.

But, no the pathetic possy that calls itself the press can't even do the right
thing when it's sitting right in their lap.

Great point Guv.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:24 PM
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12. k&r (n/t)
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:32 PM
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13. Smedley Butler
KNR

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 12:38 PM
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14. Mafia family values.
I am just sitting here thinking about the reason we are having such a hard time ridding ourselves of this gop problem.

You can either earn money (Democrats), or you can steal money (take a guess who). But if you steal money, you usually get caught and prosecuted. However, if you own the police... Or if you own the mayor... Or if you are big enough to threaten... These are mafia tactics. The Bush family came from small beginnings. A blacksmith. Look it up on Wiki. But they learned to make money from violence (war). And like the mafia, it isn't easy to rid ourselves of the Bushes. But if we want a democracy, we must stop them from corrupting our system of society. But how? I guess, like Scott Ritter says, we must first define the problem. And being that the media is also under their control, it has taken us a bit of time to discover things like you have in your post.

These are thoughts that go through my head as I look outside my window. To think we're being spied on. We, with clear hearts. We with the desire for a more fair and kind country.

Well, I better get off this computer and get some work done. Metal doesn't just weld itself.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:27 PM
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16. Bush is definitely a mean little bastard at heart ...
... and a lot of Bush's most ardent supporters are probably to be found in various American Nazi organizations. But Bush is a different species from Hitler. Bush is actually nicer than Hitler (woohoo!), but Bush's affect on America is clearly worse. Hitler was not able to damage America to the extent Bush has. After WW2, America emerged stronger than ever, rose to superpower status, and was the shining light of the free world. Look at us now, thanks to Bush.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:06 PM
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26. Upon what do you base your assertion?
that shrubCo is nicer than Hitler? I don't see it.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:42 PM
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17. my personal comparison list...
(from an old post of mine, very old)

RUDUing2 keeps saying thesimilarities with Stalin are due to how slow the progression of stalinism is, but honestly, in just 4 years look how much civil liberties have been eroded under bush, and he's working like blazes since the election to accelerate that process.
I don't consider that slow...I consider that ALARMINGLY quick, almost as if there is a looming deadline he has to meet.

I consider the current situation more like Nazi Germany for the following reasons:

1. an ever-increasing intolerance of minority groups (gays, etc.)
2. a demonization of any domestic opposition (making "libruls" be equal to "traitor")
3. a subsuming of all branches of govt. under a central control
4. use of intelligence forces against own citizens to root out dissent.
5. Arrogant belief that preemptive occupation is in the national interest.
6. A plan to overtake an entire region (in WWII, it was europe, africa, etc.--the neocon agenda STARTS with the middle east)
7. having a ruthless propaganda minister to lie to the public and manipulate elections (Goebbels=Rove)
8. The Riechstag fire = 9/11
9. massive bombing campaigns with no concern for citizens or property
10. The coopting of "Christianity" as an excuse and a justification for leadership excesses
11. An acceptance of torture and abuse of prisoners as justified. (Auschwitz and Mengele=Guantanamo and ABu Ghraib)
12. Considering enemies as less than human and therefore undeserving of humane treatment (see #11)
13. Empty patriotic rhetoric engineered to ostracize noncomformists and glorify brutish acts.
14. Elitism and racial, ethnic or religious "purity" seen as ideals that justify the removal of personal liberties of those "not like us".
15. Self-destructive govt. structure and policies that doesn't look at long term economic health.
16. Waging war with inadequate resources, ending up by drafting older and younger soldiers out of desperation.
17. Censorship and the elimination of independent thought seen as worthy efforts.
18. Cavalier and mistrustful attitudes towards the rest of the world.
19. Bankrupting the economy to fund war actions.
20. Seeking new and highly destructive technologies to implement a military advantage and superiority (Hitler's nuclear program and Bush's "missile shield")


and last but not least, the Bush Family has DIRECT ties to the nazis, so making the comparison is NOT that out of hand.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:43 PM
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18. And KKKarl is Goebbels
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:47 PM
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19. Did Hitler ever publicly advocate torture?
I don't think so.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:56 PM
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24. just
mass murder...
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:03 PM
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20. Any study of the Nazi's own writings, or of those who supported the Nazis
show this to be true.

Nazi Propaganda: 1933-1945

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ww2era.htm

Twas the CON-servatives and the heirs of the modern CON-servative movement who supported the Nazis.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:14 PM
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22. Took a little heat for this one: "Bush our Hitler; Iraq our Poland" 2004
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:25 PM
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28. Nope, Iran would be the Poland, as Russia/China would likely...
react strongly to an attack on Iran.

I would liken Iraq to Vietnam.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 06:29 PM
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32. I could go with that.

This point was also on target...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2249525#2250995

This was two years ago and there was disagreement also...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2249525#2252265

Amazing what a difference couple of years makes and also how on target people were back in 2004.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:44 PM
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23. This is also detailed in Molly Ivins book Fortunate Son...
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 03:45 PM by Triana
...the bu$h family involvement and fortune-making from, supporting Hitler via Union National Bank.

WHAT a coinky-dink that bu$hit's governing "style" is so similar to Hitler's - mainly - fascist.

It ain't no coincidence, folks. The BFEE has learnt from Hitler himself and supported Hitler himself - their MO is based on that. They ARE like him and his regime. Not EXACTLY like Hitler, mind you but certainly an alarmingly like facsimile. And, considering the bu$h family history, it's no wonder is it?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 04:37 PM
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30. But the same thing could be said of Joseph Kennedy.
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