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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 08:52 PM
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The United States government is evil to it's core.
The Human Radiation Experiments

This book describes, in fascinating detail, a variety of experiments sponsored by the U.S. government in which people were exposed to radiation without their knowledge. After reviewing hundreds of thousands of documents from the Atomic Energy Commission and other agencies, the Advisory Committee appointed by President Clinton in January 1994 found that nearly 4,000 human radiation experiments--most involving very low doses of radioactive tracers--were sponsored by the federal government between 1944-1974. This book documents these findings to provide a fascinating if not disturbing reminder of both the shocking standards for human experimentation and the practice of government secrecy in recent history.

Carried out at the height of the Cold War, experiments included feeding radioactive cereal to teenagers at a school for the mentally retarded, irradiating the testicles of prison inmates, injecting plutonium into hospital patients, and intentional releases of radiation into the environment. The book places these experiments within their historical context, and a review of the relevant government policies and ethics standards at the time is included. The analysis is then applied to contemporary research on human subjects. The book concludes with a discussion of the Committee's key findings and a set of recommendations for changes in institutional review boards, the interpretation of ethics rules and policies, the conduct of research involving military personnel, the oversight and accountability for ethical violations, compensation for research injuries, and balancing national securities interests with the rights of the public. This compelling volume will prove to be a landmark in the development of standards for human experimentation. Ethicists, public health professionals and those interested in the history of medicine and Cold War history will be intrigued by the findings in this volume.
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SongOfTheRayne Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 08:59 PM
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1. Holy. Fucking. Shit.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:06 PM
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2. now that we know Japan was ready to surrender 3 weeks before we dropped
the bombs... I completely agree with you.

Was EVERYTHING we were taught a LIE???!! :mad:
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 10:30 PM
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5. How do we _know_ that? If you have evidence, let's see it. n/t
n/t
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:10 PM
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9. Sorry, I read it a few weeks ago here.
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 11:20 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
I know it was the article about the new films being released of the aftermath. I'll try to find the exact article. Until then, Google shows these...

Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, Racing the Enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan, Belknap Press. ISBN 0674016939. Argues the bombs were not needed, that Japan was already defeated

Barton J. Bernstein, ed. The Atomic Bomb: The Critical Issues (Boston: Little, Brown, 1976). Weighs whether the bombings were justified or necessary.

Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin, American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer (New York: Knopf, 2005). ISBN 0375412026, "The thing had to be done," but "Circumstances are heavy with misgiving."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Debates_over_the_bombings.2C_and_their_portrayal

Debating the American Decision to Drop the Atomic BombBut if Truman realized that the Japanese would surrender soon after the Russians entered the war, why did he drop the atomic bombs about one week before the ...
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/atomic.htm

Real History, the Bomb, and the War against Japanorder The first, dated July 12, 1945, over three weeks before Hiroshima, merely referred to an ... Stimson did not tell him of Japan's surrender attempts. ...

FORMERLY SECRET FILES in London and Washington now reveal that Japan was trying to surrender, and had put out the most serious peace messages, three weeks before the atomic bombs were dropped; and that Joseph Stalin, Winston Churchill, and the other Allied leaders were aware of this.

In December 1946 a Liberal Member of Parliament challenged the British government to admit it. Internal documents of the Foreign Office show that they deduced that the M.P. knew the truth, but although the F.O. felt it was time to come clean ("it would be unwise to continue unofficially to conceal the fact") prime minister Clement Attlee fobbed off the M.P. with evasive answers, out of deference to the feelings of U.S. President Harry S Truman.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Churchill/Japan_surrender_attempts/MS.html


Some think it's still up for debate, but frankly... I've become so disgusted at the thing that we have done that are proven, I don't doubt it. Perhaps I'm jaded.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 07:05 AM
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13. Links
http://www.doug-long.com/


http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,826546,00.html

National Affairs
Was Hiroshima Necessary?


Sep. 5, 1960
Did the U.S. have to drop the atom bombs on Japan in 1945? The raids on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are justified by ex-President Harry Truman on the ground that "it was my responsibility to force the Japanese warlords to come to terms as quickly as possible with the minimum loss of lives." Most U.S. military men, bent on unconditional surrender, backed him up. Last week the old question got a new airing in the wake of a report by Cowles newspaper Correspondents Fletcher Knebel and Charles Bailey, who were permitted to read still-secret State Department records of the Potsdam Conference...

Excellent Article:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/trinity/articles/closer1.html
HIROSHIMA and Nagasaki claimed yet another victim in May.
This time it was Martin Harwit, director of the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum, the most popular museum in the United States. Harwit resigned to defuse criticism by conservatives in Congress over the museum's initial plan for exhibiting the Enola Gay, the Boeing B-29 that bombed Hiroshima, Japan.
The Air Force Association that led the attack on the Smithsonian wanted an exhibit commemorating the knockout punch that ended the war.
Smithsonian curators wanted a broader exhibit, one that recounted the horrors of the two bombings and the dawning of a terrible new age.
"When people look at the Enola Gay, they bring lots of messages with them," said Thomas Crouch, a curator for the exhibit. "The controversy started before the first script was completed. This one was just enormously difficult. These issues are enormously complex."
And sometimes surprising. Consider, as examples, the feelings of Ken Nakano, a Boeing engineer who lives in Kirkland and who was a victim of the Hiroshima bombing, and Edward Teller, the famed hydrogen-bomb physicist and Cold Warrior.
Nakano thinks the Hiroshima bombing was necessary.
Teller regrets that scientists didn't push for a demonstration explosion as an alternative.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:07 PM
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3. some links:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 09:45 PM
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4. Tin foilers get another hand..... for thinking that no matter how bad
you think it is.... it is actually much much worse than you can imagine.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 01:08 AM
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12. I always say
figure out how bad you think it could be from what you been taught.
multiply it by 10 , then double it.

pessimist ... realist, who knows? But the truth is stranger than fiction
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 10:32 PM
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6. NO, no. The present administration in control of US government is evil to
its core.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 10:34 PM
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7. simple explanation
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 10:48 PM
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8. I have posted this information on DU many times...
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 10:49 PM by Hubert Flottz
This 'RATS' web site tells all the dirty secrets about the human testing, of all the different WMD our government has developed over the years. You won't believe some of the things Uncle Sam has been up to! If you live in the western US and have friends and family who have developed strange cancers and other deadly diseases, this information may help figure out why.

Dugway Proving Ground Home of the WMD...

http://home.comcast.net/~kknowlto/

You can spend hours on this web site, finding out how CRAZY your government has been and what horrid things they have been sneaking around and doing to us all, at our expense! ENJOY!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:24 PM
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10. don't forget the mind control stuff, in Canada, so we could have
'plausible deniability'

one CAPTIVE victim actually won a settlement against the fricking Mengele who tortured her with LSD, among other 'stimuli'
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:35 PM
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11. Read this book- The Plutonium Files
by Pulitizer prize winning journalist Eileen Welsome who uncovered this stuff quite by accident.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0385314027.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,32,-59_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

One of the nastiest secrets was an experiment designed to determine how much plutonium a human could safely handle. In that experiment, conducted in the mid-1940s, 18 people -- 17 American adults and one Australian child -- were injected with plutonium without their knowledge or consent. Although the scientists defended it as necessary to ensure the safety of workers in the nuclear-weapons program, they also realized that it could create a public-relations nightmare if the story ever leaked.

When a congressional committee uncovered evidence of the experiment in the 1980s, there was indeed public outrage and disbelief that our government could conduct an experiment that seemed akin to what the Nazis did in World War II. Yet the outrage never translated to action, and the experiment slowly faded from the public consciousness. Then, six years ago, reporter Eileen Welsome unearthed one new, vital fact about the experiment -- the names of the people injected with plutonium -- and struck a national nerve.

In November 1993, The Albuquerque Tribune published her series, giving names and faces to people known until then only by numbers assigned them by the government. With that simple step of transforming bureaucratic numbers into flesh and blood -- a step that took her years of research to accomplish -- Welsome touched off a firestorm of protest and activity that finally penetrated the cloak of secrecy surrounding the experiments.

Now Welsome, who won a Pulitzer Prize for her reporting, has used that information to tell a cautionary tale of secrecy run amok. Welsome piles on detail to show how doctors used their patients as guinea pigs. The result is a remarkably detailed history of a hitherto hidden world.

http://www.post-gazette.com/books/reviews/19991121review372.asp

Or Listen to this amazing interview:
Wednesday, May 5th, 2004
Plutonium Files: How the U.S. Secretly Fed Radioactivity to Thousands of Americans

In a Massachusetts school, seventy-three disabled children were spoon-fed oatmeal laced with radioactive isotopes. In an upstate New York hospital, an eighteen-year-old woman believing she was being treated for a pituitary disorder, was injected with plutonium. At a Tennessee clinic, 829 pregnant women were served "vitamin cocktails" containing radioactive iron, as part of their regular treatment.

No these are not acts of terrorism by common criminals.

These are just some of the secret human radiation experiments that the U.S. government conducted on unsuspecting Americans for decades as part of its atom bomb program. In a gruesome plot that spanned 30 years, doctors and scientists working with the US atomic weapons program, exposed thousands of unwilling and unknowing Americans to radiation poisoning to study its effects.

For years, the experiments by the U.S. government and the identities of their human guinea pigs were covered up. Then after a six-year investigation, investigative reporter Eileen Welsome uncovered the names of 18 people who were injected with plutonium in the 1940s without their knowledge by federal government scientists. In 1993, she published her finding in The Albuquerque Tribune and later received the Pulitzer Prize for her work.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/05/1357230
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