Imagine this 2008 Ticket: McCain/Hillary

yes, it's ridiculous, but just for shits and giggles, let's play this out:

Bipartisan ticket of "moderates" to "bridge the deep divisions between the two parties." It's plausible - not probable.

Splinter groups form from both sides - with the Hillary-hating Cons running someone else like Frist, and DLC-detesting Progressives running - well - a progressive. Two new, weaker parties are formed from both wings (or one weird but stronger coalition party from the middle).

The bipartisan ticket wins easy w/ disillusioned GOP-ers eager to put lipstick on their whorish reputation, and DLC-type dems can fuel their corporate interests without apologies, and come in second for once without coming in last. Meanwhile there'd be a formalized "triangulated" balance of power and the makings of a strong progressive movement (and a fringe fundie whacko party).

If it were a Hillary/McCain ticket, they'd still win, but it would be a long-term hit for progressives, because the fundie wacko splinter group would end up being stronger than the progressive group.

I'm not endorsing this as a good idea at all. We can run a progressive and win in '08. But you've gotta admit this scenario would make for an interesting dynamic (assuming we'd survive 4-8 years of that "dream team").

In a three horse race like that I doubt they could get enough electoral votes and I'm not sure they'd win a house vote.

If Kerry-McCain became a reality, Bush would've been defeated as moderate Republicans and perhaps most of the Democratic base would've voted for them regardless of what was happening in Iraq, and since they're both grizzled war vets, they probably would've had a sane approach to Iraq as well, since they KNOW what it's like to be in war.

nobody thinks of Hillary as a moderate. Most think of her as a radical socialist bent on imposing national health care on the populace.

I'm no fan of HRC, but she polls very well 'outside of DU' and she has carefully crafted her image as a moderate. By the way, outside of DU, 60%+ of the population supports universal healthcare.

However, whenever anybody to the left of Ann Coulter tries to expand healthcare coverage, we get bombarded with charges of "socialized medicine", like famous socialists Richard Nixon & Otto Von Bismarck (both of whom supported it)

But, if a politician is bold enough to propose it, they get tagged with that label by the RW media machine.

was circulating, I (moranically) considered that it could be a good thing.

After, watching McCain's posturing, he stands for nothing. I really couldn't tell you he is (fill in the blank), something is wrong with that man. He actually, changes his stands, more than my daily underwear change!

I reject your assumption.

Maybe his shit hasn't hit the fan yet, but when it does nobody will want McCain, not Dems or repubs.

If there is a moderate Republican whose worth anything at all and has seen the light, let him or her prove it by switching parties.

Or this picture?


Or maybe one of these?




They just can't keep their hands off each other.




If they run McCain in 08, we must constantly keep these pictures in front of voters.

Bush and McCain. McCain and Bush. Inseparable.

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;) And I wish McCain would turn on the GOP and become a Democrat.:headbang:

He and Lieberman would practically climb all over each other trying to see who could kiss the most * ass.

such a match-up, and in fact, I find this thread downright creepy.

I can hear the Rove spin machine loud and clear kiddies...can you!

And feeding into it with "for sihts and giggles lets play this out" is exactly what they want.

I am not advocating anyone stopping from posting anything they want, I would just would like to make an effort to make SURE EVERYONE HAS THEIR DAMN BLINDERS AND EAR PLUGS OFFF right now.

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This type of thinking is as unhelpful as the McCain Kerry BS that went on in the last campaign. It plays right into the "We can't find a democrat that is good enough to be VP, so we we'll blend in a bit of Republican.

The Democratic Party's problem is that they suck from the same corporate slop bucket as the Republicans do. When they stop this, and at least pick one industry (pharmaceuticals perhaps) to decide to not accept money from, and campaign against them, then we'll have a party we can get behind, and we can stop all this crazy speculation about a split ticket.

It also plays into the BS center idea that we need to keep trying to peel off upper middle class voters rather than giving the "less elite" masses someone to rally around. You can laugh at the scream, but Dean was that kind of candidate.

from my OP. n/t