... NEOCONSTER, BUSHIT, CORPORATIST WAR CRIMINAL.

CLEAR.

PERIOD.

Sun Tzu: "On hemmed-in ground, resort to stratagem. On desperate ground, FIGHT.

I'm now ONLY IN FIGHTING MODE.

Our Republic is endangered and no other response is responsible.


BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION -- 24/7

at least this made the news for 5 minutes.

if it fails with Bush's numbers so low, it is far more likely to reflect badly on the GOP than on the Democrats.

I disagree.

Is there a better approach that you know

I disagree with the poster who says censure will interfere with impeachment.

a bid for censure, regardless of outcome, hurt any attempt for impeachment which doesn't have the votes anyway? It's a Repub dominated Congress, so impeachment will not have the votes, regardless.

:eyes:

individual states. Censure means "booosh, we know you lied, cheated and broke the law. If we had a decent congress, you would be forcibly removed from office, tried, convicted and imprisoned or executed. Since we have too many of your fellow criminals in office to do the right thing, we demand that you acknowledge your errors and guarantee you will mend your ways." Also, this censure motion, and its attendant attention and discussion, will keep the criminality of the administration in focus for a far longer time than waiting and hoping for a dem majority in both houses, as required for impeachment.

Also, Russ's walking immediately out of the chamber and tag teaming with Durbin short circuited the majority demand for immediate dispensation of the action and drew far more attention than anything else would have done. In the mean time, the lies, coverups, misdirection and false dichotomy/straw man arguments of the reich-wing criminals will be even more exposed to an awakening public.

... Durbin short circuited the majority demand for immediate dispensation of the action and drew far more attention than anything else would have done. In the mean time, the lies, coverups, misdirection and false dichotomy/straw man arguments of the reich-wing criminals will be even more exposed to an awakening public."

Perfect!

Thank you.


BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION - 24/7

With dry mouth Spector gasping for air.

He had no backbone or case.

Feingold was masterful and we need to support his efforts.

The freakin' right-wingers play dirty and cheat all the darn time. The Dems have to be more strategically aggressive with these buttheads JUST so the information about unconstitutional and criminal behavior can get to the public.

Feingold is da' man!!! :applause: He RRRRRROCKS!!!!

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censure and you rejected it."

Bush is not going to be impeached, and an attempt to do so would damage the Democrats more than him. The three questions to ask on censure are

1) How likely to work is it
2) Will it help or harm the Democrats electoral chances if it succeeds
3) " " " " " " " " fails

My suspicion is that the answers are "very unlikely" (as the Republicans have majorities in both houses) "help a little" (it makes the democrats look effectual, although it gives the Republican "Party of no" talking point more ammo) and "harm a little" (it makes the democrats look still more ineffectual) and as such I think it's probably a bad idea, but I'm far from confident on any of those. I am fairly sure that those are the right questions to be asking, though.

which in turn could lead to impeachment

and that vote Feingold gave against the patriot act was "supposed" to backfire according to the same kind of argument. BULL.

Murkins need a LONG time to get ready!

Praise the Feingold-Conyers tenacity and devotion to justice.

Do you support censure or do you support secret, warrantless spying on Americans in their homes.

If it takes you more than 1 minute to decide, the hell with you.

:toast:

:thumbsup:

you are correct.

I see this resolution as a yardstick. We will be able to measure Senators by their vote.

I don't expect to get the censure, but Feingold is forcing the GOP to embrace 34% George. I hope they get him all over themselves.....

K&R

The action should be instantaneously taking no time what-so-ever.

.... and welcome to DU.

This party is so full of hand-wringing strategizers it can't use the bathroom without overanalyzing it.

Censure, impeach, bad-mouth mercilessly. America is READY for someone to STAND UP AND SAY WHAT THEY ALL FEAR IS TRUE.

If Dems don't sieze this opportunity, we might as well fold up and go home.

Welcome to DU!

Thanks for the welcome.

:kick:

TIME TO KICK ASS!!!

SUPPORT FEINGOLD AND CONYERS!!!

:kick:

Thank you SR :toast:

There is no backing down now. Basta. Basta. Basta. Every Man Woman & Child should be in the fucking streets. They hung Mussolini by his feet why not Bush?

:)

Time for congressmen to show whether they serve the American people or their corporate masters.

THIS THREAD IS HUGH!

The lifers will resist it.

But we now have a real measure to use.

:kick:

Perfect none the less. :toast:

your words, hah! :hi:

Cola or uncola I guess no one drinks grape or orange soda anymore.

... return to nice when we've saved our Republic from destruction.

I sorta know you understand and when we have saved our Republic from destruction I'll be more than happy to serve you a delicious Pacific Northwest Pinot or Syrah or whatever ...

BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION -- 24/7

and my nieces futures aren't threatened. I'll ratchet back to nice when I'm not worried about the homeless population in my city. Or about our schools. Or about who we are torturing. Or about who we have kidnapped. Or about how the Gulf Coast will rebuild.

THEN, I will go back to Nice.

is recovered from seizing the assets of the assholes.

Then, I could be NICE again.

:nuke:

Only Then.


BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION - 24/7

when they try to stop stealling my disablity check. And when my excommunication is lifted from the church because I stood alone against the Religious Right. FYI I am for censure, I would just rather see the left stand united as a whole for once than be constantly seperated and fractured. I.E can't we concentrate on what unites us instead of what divides us.

Yep I believe!

:kick:

the rafters to ring

:)

:kick:

who thinks a fetus is more important than a disabled person.

We don't let this stand.

:hug:

:kick:

If you want a street fighter I'll show ya street fighter. Riddle me this riddle me that whose afraid of my big bad bat. Anyone who is against censure. Being nice dont caught it anymore in today's world.

I am fucking irate!

That is all.

Dems are NOT the future of this country.

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality." -Dante Alighieri, poet (1265-1321)

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

“To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.” –Abraham Lincoln, 16th US president (1809-1865)

“Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions.” -- Daniel Webster

"The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

Oh, that's right. It reminds me of bushyboy. I strongly dislike statements like this. In fact I dislike them so much, I almost reflexively want to take the other side's position. Blechh.

We can't let them stand in our way.

I'm with you. Censure, impeach, and more.

Citizens waste their time being "armchair political strategists." We need to raise our voices and DEMAND that our leaders follow the law.

if the matter was not so serious.

Who are these people who want to give * a pass for political expedience?! What would the Republicans have done if Bush were a Democrat? How many times did they attack and try to punish Clinton, for absolutely no reason? We actually HAVE REASONS, and damn good ones!

impeachment. Bush needs and deserves a little more than a sternly worded congressional scolding. He should be removed from office and then tried for his crimes. That's why I really can't get all worked up over this. It will mean absolutely nothing to him even if it does go down.

:eyes:

,...to our economic and national security, to our people's interests, to our children's future.

Time to fight and fight to win!!!

:grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr:

As Magistrate would say, "LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!!!"

pressing need for impeachment in our country.

not a chance!

:kick:

Sign Feingold Censure petition at:

http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/page/petition/nsa0206

Hold the President Accountable on Illegal Wiretapping!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2512789&mesg_id=2512789

NGU.

the obvious. I am so frickin sick of having every move polled and having them worry about the swing voter reaction. WE ARE YOUR BASE-SUPPORT THE TRUTH! The entire experience of fraudulent elections without due SCREAMS of foul, of the despictable support of the invasion of Iraq (George Clooney is right they should have been at least suspect of the evidence like we were, but to blindly follow the pResident in such an immoral war is beyond words), of support of the UN patriot act, on and on makes me think we have two separate parties within one:

1. Corporate loving Dems intent on polling for approval, while pulling in the big bucks from corporate interest and

2. The Real Dems who are for truth and justice.

I am of the latter and will no longer support (even to the point of leaving a vote blank over voting for a DINO) the Dems straight ticket as in the past.

http://wewillnotbesilenced.cf.huffingtonpost.com

UL linked me to this for the first time. This thread speaks the same message as the film short.

peace.

TURN OUT ON MARCH 18th!

full page ads in newspapers, no holds barred speeches, calling people who lie liars, calling people who go to un-necessary wars warmongers, calling congressmen who enable a unitary executive irresponsible, censuring those who deserve censure, voting not to certify questionable electoral votes, calling those who arent for election reform undemocratic, indicting those who take bribes and kicking them out of office, calling those who torture repulsive, calling those who use white phosporous war criminals, calling those who ignore environmental degradation pigs, calling those who put corporations and ideology before americans fascists.

Etc.

It shouldn't be hard. Should be easy.

If some think UL's harsh line is too severe, I'll suggest that some of it is needed to swing the pendulum back the other way. Someone has to do it....the center has to be moved back to a reasonable point. Worthy post.

Here is what wiggs said:

"Boycotts,

mass press conferrences,

full page ads in newspapers,

no holds barred speeches,

calling people who lie liars,

calling people who go to un-necessary wars warmongers,

calling congressmen who enable a unitary executive irresponsible,

censuring those who deserve censure,

voting not to certify questionable electoral votes,

calling those who arent for election reform undemocratic,

indicting those who take bribes and kicking them out of office,

calling those who torture repulsive,

calling those who use white phosporous war criminals,

calling those who ignore environmental degradation pigs,

calling those who put corporations and ideology before americans fascists."

Is it wrong to expect this from the grassroots,
and especially from the people who ask for my vote?

feingold/conyers. now there's a ticket that might actually get me to vote.

We are in desperate danger in fact as is the world.

that he has a LOT of support from people who aren't his constituents, but wish they were!

I really don't understand why the Democrats are not solidly behind Russ. What are they
afraid of? Alienating the middle? The polls show that most of the country is already
alienated! The strategy of "working with their repuke colleagues" has been an utter failure!

What the hell are they waiting for????

Please someone enlighten me!

:nuke:

:kick:

This woman has lunch with Karl Rove, for goodness sakes. "Risk" in her book is not sending the President a birthday card.

Heck, it's an election year with an administration that has approval ratings in between 18-32% for the VP & the President. Conservatives everywhere are critical of him lately... it's the safest and most appropriate time for a censure that I've ever seen, politically.

Any Dem who doesn't get behind this is really a hardcore moron. Sheesh, we are the opposition party. How hard is that concept for some Dems to grasp?

Donna Brazile got it!

And yes, what's wrong with Donna? She did something right for a change.

i was shocked i tell yah, shocked...

No more sniveling excuses for enablers! Oppose the criminal cabal!

vote to censure this evil, maniacal group of madmen are nothing but treasonous rat bastards, IMO. They have an obligation...that's right...AN OBLIGATION to the American people to uphold the RULE OF LAW!

It's their duty as our representatives to
DEFEND, PROTECT and HONOR OUR CONSTITUTION...

I don't give a rat's ass how doing the RIGHT THING fares POLITICALLY! Just DO IT! Politics be damned.

peace.

:patriot:

All Democratic leaders who fail to stand up to these criminals now should be vilified. They are not buffoons like Zel Miller or Joe Lieberman, they are much more dangerous and insidious.

Heads on pikes!!!

I'm keeping all the options open since I need a sense of humour to make it AND I need to not be shocked anymore. I can't keep up with the outrage. (WHO are these people and what have they done with MY people?)

But RIGHT ON SOLDIER!

Come on Democrat Senators... grown some SPINE like Russ Feingold, and Conyers.

There is an opposition right, call Russ Feingold, D, MN and thank him for telling the truth and representing the opposition.

This is no time to make points on minor issues. The country is aligned against Bush, 60% disapprove, consistently rendered over the past weeks. Time to go, adios, au revoir,

NO MORE SUBTLETY (not that anyone ever accused me of that).

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