Seattle Gas Prices.........$2.61 Gal................

For regular........What is it in your neighborhood..........


Bush is back to gouging us again.......

That's about the low-average here.

them to shove it!!! There is really no reason for the increase except they know they can do it withouot any consequences. That's what happens with stifled competition and deregulation.

:grr:

I will point out that part of Seattle's high priced gas is due to the freakin' sales tax. If you go to Pierce County, for example, it's cheaper by a bit. There is no question, though, the prices are rising at an uncomfortable level.

Today..............2.580
Yesterday..........2.462
One Week Ago.......2.279
One Month Ago......2.221
One Year Ago.......2.219


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http://www.chicagogasprices.com/index.aspx?s=Y&fuel=D&area=All%20Areas&station=All%20Stations&tme_limit=36

http://www.chicagogasprices.com/retail_price_chart.aspx

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like a weather map for gas prices.
http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

Must be a tax thang.

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Like we're this close to the Iran bombing. They've obviously made up their minds.

Here in Arkansas, by the way, the price is at $2.55

Regular I'm in MN, just spoke to my mother in Ohio!

For about a week. :eyes:

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night (apparently from somebody who has a friend at AAA) that it will be $3.50-$4 by the end of summer -- which I believe because AAA is already saying PUBLICLY it will top $3.

Given our country's obscene (and entirely greed-motivated) failure to build adequate public transport -- ours is the worst public transport system in the industrial world and is actually worse than transport systems in many so-called Third World countries -- the burden this will impose on those of us who are poor is simply beyond description.

for the cheapest grade

I know that Bush and Cheney are former oil men but what are they specifically doing to manipulate the price of oil and gas?

Gas will never be $0.30 a gallon again because the state and federal tax is much more than that. Here in Kansas I think the federal and state tax on gas is $0.43 a gallon.

I would like to connect the dots but cannot see how they can control the world price of oil and the price of gas in the US.

Maybe someone out there that knows more about the markets can enlighten me.

We were not getting oil from Iraq before the war. According to UN sanctions Iraq was supposed to be selling only enough oil to supply food for their people. I think it was called the "oil for food" sanction and it was supposed to be monitored by the UN.

http://www.un.org/Depts/oip/background/index.html

speculation about whether or not Iran is going to cut its' oil production or switch to the Euro as its' major form of currency. Speculation will drive the price at the pump up, but to pay .40/gal more for oil or gas already in the tanks of stations is nothing more than gouging. If you watched Cspan, you'll notice not one of the oil execs took an oath to tell the truth, not one could answer a question pertaining to record profits and record prices, they remained silent and in short and by thier silence told the congress they don't give a flying fark what the citizens feel.

the gas goes up immediately is because the price is so volatile. The price that you pay is the replacement cost of the gas. If the price goes down the they (the convenience store) are actually selling the gas for less than what they paid for what is in their tank. It should average out.

The reason that I know that is because I have a friend that has managed a convenience store for many years now. He would have no reason to lie to me.

I really do not think that there is anything that government can do about it. Gasoline is produced by the refineries and it goes on the market and the highest bidder gets it including the speculators. If government tries to control it you will have major supply problems.

If there are conspiracies and gouging with gas and oil, why would the price ever come down. Remember 6 months ago it was $3.00 around the country. It would never come down in price.

Government hearings are nothing but politicians trying to make us think that they are doing something. They had hearings last week and look what happened to the price of gas. It went up...

speculation.. They are sitting on huge reserves, so I have a hard time buying the supply vs. demand as much as I used to.. The oil companies are gouging, but they are doing it because they know no one will do anything meaningful about it.. Was it last quarter or the quarter before that they made the largest profits of of all time of any sector?? My father is a dumb ass R-winger, and he actually tried to tell me that gas would be cheaper because Bush/ Cheney were oil men.. He hates Bush worse than I do now.. I razz him about it all the time.. My Dad has never ever voted for a Dem all his life, and either has my uncle, but they both tell anyone that will listen that they will never vote puke again.. (And they're both fundies to boot..) It's so funny to hear them apologize to people when they talk about politics.. "I'm sorry, I didn't know voting for him would turn out this badly.. I didn't realize one man could run a good country into the ground as quickly as they have.." Every time I finish pumping my gas I call and give him grief.. He calls me sometimes to give me advice on things, and I'll say.. "Dad, why should I listen to you, you voted for Bush.." He just stammers, and says I have a good point.. Funny stuff..

I made more money last year than I ever have. I am an hourly worker and I worked a lot of overtime so I guess you might say I had record profits. I also put more into 401k than I ever have also... Is that bad?

All companies want and strive to make record profits. That is why they are in business.

Small business owners are having a tough time making it, if they are at all, and business in general has had to pass the prices on to their customers.. Gouging is gouging.. Haven't you noticed how much the cost of everything has gone up? That's why so many blame *.. If our officials weren't holding hands with the gas companies and they were looking out for the citizens of this nation like they are supposed to this wouldn't be happening.. They didn't try this stuff under Clinton, and think they'd get away with it..


on edit- I think it's great you made good money this year, but the fact of the matter is that most didn't.. There are something like 11% more people in poverty thanks to *, and many are losing their jobs to outsourcing.. I'm glad that you did well this year, but fact is most didn't.. (My company did well too, but it was because of all the hurricane damage..)

If not, how would the companies be gouging if the prices are based on the market? What could be done to lower them?

Basically, the companies get in trouble if they jack up prices when nothing has happened that effects their cost, or they jack up prices on scarcity alone.. How can gas go up .30 cents in one day, when nothing has happened to bring about that change, without it being gouging?? It went up .45 cents this last weekend alone, and why? What could have happened to precipitate a .45 price increase? Florida has a large population of people on fixed income, that can barely afford to live the way it is, how are they supposed to cover those costs? People are defaulting on credit card debt, and house payments like crazy down here, and it wasn't happening before the energy prices sky-rocketed, so yes I do think it's biting the economy in the ass.. We own our own business, and we have had to tack on a 20.00 fee for house calls, and a 10% to 20% on services, and we are making less money on a whole than we were before the costs went through the sky.. Look at the overall default rates across this nation right now, the negative savings rate, the credit card debt, the number of second mortgages, and the number of reverse mortgages.. Our economy isn't nearly as healthy as what many would lead you to believe.. On top of that, since * took office, there is something like 11% more people in poverty than there were before.. What is the one thing that is dramatically different from when he took office? Energy costs. The energy costs in this country is helping no one but the energy companies..

I do believe that collusion is happening, look at the price drop during the holiday season.. The prices dropped long enough for people to feel good about dropping money on the holidays, and then back up they went.. Another reason I suspect it's happening has alot to do with Big Dick's energy meeting that we can't get the notes to.. What were they discussing, and why did the energy costs start going up directly after the meeting?

To your other question, a few states are putting price caps in place, and I don't think that's a bad place to start.. I also think having uniform law for prosecution across the board would help too..

throughout North America at the same time. Canada and America have different competitors making a collusive agreement difficult to sustain. Gas is typically priced on the replacement cost so when prices of inputs increase (even through scarcity) so does the price you pay at the pump. I looked up some papers on oil and gasoline collusion. The extraction and refining is typically not believed to be collusive. Nobody quite knows how to characterize the retail aspect. Some behavior exhibited is very competitive. Other behavior is seen as collusive.

I will get to the rest when I have more time.

How is Bush helping to raise the price of gasoline? Higher energy prices makes it tough on everybody just like higher taxes.

I once heard it said that corporations do not pay taxes, their customers do. When you think about it, that is true.

I am in a learning mode and I keep hearing that Bush and Cheney are responsible for higher energy prices. One of my freeper friends put that question to me and I really had no good comeback to him. I keep asking that question here on DU but nobody has come close to giving me an answer outside of Bush being in bed with the oil companies. I need more than that.

when it comes to obscene profits that hurt majority.. It's indirect, but there is an effect.. Add on top of that the climate of terror we have in this country that they have spread, and you have people hoarding product because of it.. (I know that's happening for a fact, because I know quite a few people that are doing it..) In many ways I do think that they are in part to blame along with the puke leadership.. Energy Bill anyone? The bill gave tax dollars (an obscene amount) to energy companies to invest in "research," but when the research is said and done, and the new products are developed, the profits and methods to the technology stay private.. (They get to keep whatever they find as a result of the research, if indeed they even use the money for research, and then they get to keep the profits..) (Welfare at its finest..)
That in no way helps the American people as a whole, it only benefits energy companies.. Then add on top of that Big Dick's energy meeting that was super hush hush, and we as the American public can't even find out what was discussed.. Right after the meeting was when the first major price jumps occurred.. Why were they discussing, and what made the prices jump so dramatically as a result? The other thing that makes me think there is a link is if you look at the price of gas before the holidays.
It went down during the shopping season, long enough for people to do their shopping, and then they went through the roof again, after the holiday money was spent.. (In the early days of the shopping season TV pundits told everyone that they thought the shopping was going to be hampered because of the high energy costs, and like magic they dropped during the thrust of the season, and then right back up.)

Enron is also a good example of what energy companies are doing to this nation.. They knew what they were doing when they were doing it, but it didn't stop them, and the government is making a token effort at best in prosecution.. (Did you know during George's first campaign he flew to nearly all his campaign stops in the Enron jet? And did you know that Jeb put FL. teacher pensions on the line, giving the money to Enron as an "investment," even though he had already been told that collapse was imminent.)

I didn't understand the role of politics and big business until about a year ago.. My father, though a dumb ass freeper, (He says he's never voting puke again, but we'll see.) is a multimillionaire several times over, and he did it all on his own.. I didn't understand the roles until he explained it to me.. I couldn't understand why he as a business man, had to be so friendly to politicians, and give so much to their election campaigns, and "pet" causes.. I always thought.. "How could this do him any good? How could giving them money yield a return to my father?" He explained it to me.. The politicians that he gave money to, (usually in the house and senate, both on the state and federal level) determine where the pork goes, and they determine the "laws" in regard to what is defined as legal and illegal business practice.. (I know the local, state, federal, prosecutors decide who will be prosecuted, but the politicians write the laws..) So, basically politicians are in bed with big business, to get the pork, to lobby for laws that will hamper them from ever being prosecuted, and so that laws that are written are business friendly, instead of consumer friendly.. (Look at the Bankruptcy Bill and CAFTA for starters..)

When I understood it on that level, the bigger picture made more sense.. They grease each others palms, at the expense of the average tax payer.. It happens in all forms of business, not just the energy companies.. I think the reason the energy sector gets so much attention over it is because energy is a common denominator for just about everyone in this country..

especially when Saddam was in charge. As fas as an energy bill, what would that do outside of cost us taxpayers more tax dollars?? Myself I am opposed to government subsidies to ANYONE.

As far as obscene profits, the price of oil is whatever the world market is. No one company or individual sets what the world market price is. It is set by the ones that bid on the oil. If the bidders are bidding the price up the ones who have the product are going to benefit.

As far a Enron...they were a bunch of con men. They had everybody fooled for a while, but as with most con schemes they got caught. Have you ever been conned by someone you trusted? I have and it really pissed me off.

The trouble with our politicians (both Republican and Democrats) they use our tax dollars to buy votes. We have all heard about the road or bridge to nowhere just to create jobs ins an area or help a very few people in the politicians district.

one of the biggest reasons they give is for instability in the region.. That is the excuse they give, not me.. I think they're just greedy bastards..

It does effect people beyond their tax dollars.. It gives them a vehicle to get people coming and going, with their own money.. They get hit on the tax side, and then they get hit again when the 'new product" rolls out, in the form of new revenue..

About Enron, no I've never been scammed.. (unless you count when I was a conservative, but I really had no control over that, it was how I was raised..) I agree with you, they were cons, but Lay was a very personal friend of Bush, and even after they new that collapse was coming the presidents brother intentionally threw good money after bad, knowing that it would be lost.. If you think the people of Enron were crooks, than you can only surmise that the Bush administration are crooks as well.. They were all in bed together..

I don't like subsidies either, but the thing that gets my goat is how the pukes rave about welfare queens, and then take the dole themselves.. I used to be a conservative, and it makes my blood boil.. I'm different than most on this board because I am not a fan of big government, and it pisses me off to no end to see what the pukes are doing.. Government has never grown as it has under this administration.. I get pissed at my freeper friends who claim that it's okay because it's their man that's in office, yet 8 years ago they were saying that you can't trust government no matter what party is in charge..

George Bush is the reason I am no longer a conservative republican.. If he had never come along, I'd still be a puke.. He and his party have spent like drunken soldiers on shore leave, and there is no way that it isn't going to bite us in the ass.. On top of that we are no safer, and in many ways we are less safe when he took office.. What do we have to show for the money he's spent? NOTHING.. His friends have bigger bank accounts, but that's about it.. The man has run this country into the ground.. What scares me is that there are pundints on both sides of the fence that now warning that there could be a full on collapse before it's all over with.. Even Bernanke has been sounding the alarm bells.. Can you imagine what would happen? Can you imagine the upheaval? Elderly starving in the streets, and mass chaos.. If it starts to look like we will default, the first things to go will be SS and food programs for children.. I bet all of the conservatives that thought that would be a good idea will have a change of tune.. The crime rates will go through the ceiling, children will die of starvation, and the elderly will die in the streets.. (The ones that don't have the option of moving in with their families, bet the pukes will love having the in laws move with them..) These fuckers just don't think things through.. People are going to know who did it, it's not like it's going to be a mystery..

I'm sorry for the rant, but these people piss me off.. They ruined the conservative movement to the point that even the true blue conservatives have had enough, and they have done so much damage that it will be hard to ever undo all of it, if it can be done at all.. You know who I feel sorry for? The pukes that still follow him.. When this country starts the acceleration process downhill those losers will still have to live among the rest of us.. I pity them, life will be tougher for them than anyone else..

On last thing.. The upcoming war with Iran.. They are going to start WW III.. Russia and China both have said who they will back, and it ain't us.. We can't even win in Iraq, but they're piss China off into coming after us?? How dumb can these fuckers be? Wonder what gas prices will look like after that starts? If we try Iran we'll end up collapsing Soviet style, and it will be all on the shoulders of Georgie and his followers..

Sorry for the rant, I just don't understand how people can be so stupid..

From an economic standpoint pricing is referred to as opportunity cost pricing.

The government hearing is inefficient vote seeking. This unfortunately seems to win elections.

over the last few years it has been increasing. Even with increasing production there is still increasing prices thus collusion is not the main cause of the high prices. Frankly it would be difficult to lower the prices that the consumer pays without controls and resulting shortages.

for the last three years. Every spring it peaks, every year just a little higher than the year before.

They know we drive alot during spring break/Easter, so they ramp up the price. Cause they're greedy bastards. :mad:

I think we may see upwards of $3.50 by the end of summer.

Tacoma is between 2.29 and 2.49 for regular. No one has had it even near 2.61 lately down here. I only go to Arco, btw, as they are usually at least 16 cents cheaper. Shell is always the worst...

Gee, it turns out that fewer refineries are a good thing! I had no idea!
:puke: :sarcasm:

I am then limited to wherever I can reach b4 it's gone.

Everett at Citgo is at $2.49 for R.

Bastards.I just filled up.Is that oil bourse starting in Iran tomorrow?

:hi:

It really does save gas.

There are always different routes with lower speed limits that can be taken.

Differences in speed are a major problem. Take a look in your rear view mirror or better yet go with someone else who drives at a similar speed to you and watch the dynamics of traffic. Then watch when going the speed of traffic. There will be less risky maneuvers by other drivers when you are going the speed of traffic. In fact one of the two major driving schools in my area has a policy whereby they tell people to keep at the pace of traffic.

we are all within our rights to drive at any speed within them. I've looked in the mirror, not my problem. And I can ignore honking horns.

BTW, did anyone watch that CNN special they were running this weekend "We Were Warned: Tomorrow's Oil Crisis"? Well done.

Amazing how Brazil is now energy independent using sugar cane for ethanol for their cars. And the ironic thing is to see GM Flexfuel cars they sell there.

That's another thing the idiot-chief,Repukes and the koolaid drinkers will go down in history for - not getting this country a "moonshot" program to get this country weaned from it's addiction. When will the morans wake up and figure out we're already a 2nd rate country heading for third world status.

It went up ten cents in two days. What a lovely trend. :mad::grr::mad:

Seattle I think. Rich folks in-town generally can afford the gas for the BMW.

If $1.50 of that was tax for services and fuel reduction, then ok.

herky-jerky slow (you can't read on a bus like you can on the subway or a train) and infuriatingly indirect (because of the "transit center" concept you might have to ride three buses 15 miles to get to a place that's only a three-mile walk).

The real problem is the savagely bigoted Seattle establishment's "we-don'-wanna-be-like-Jew-York" hostility to rapid transit -- that is, transit powered by electricity and running on rails -- that has turned the whole Puget Sound area into a transportation nightmare. Several proposals for high-speed rail systems were defeated by behind-the-scenes political manipulations during the late 1960s and 1970s (when generous federal funding was available): the sullenly stubborn, breathtakingly stupid Seattle elite believed that by these defeats they guaranteed the region would never be "Manhattanized" or "Californicated." Now as a direct consequence of their vicious xenophobia -- a xenophobia that is also utterly hypocritical given the area's claim to environmental enlightenment -- the region has the worst or second-worst traffic congestion in the nation, a rail system that was enthusiastically approved by the voters a decade ago but is now nine years behind schedule due to methodical political sabotage (by the same Seattle xenophobes) and will therefore never be completed simply because by running out the clock the xenophobes continue to ensure that adequate funding will never be available.

Thus the Puget Sound area is rapidly acquiring a new (negative) superlative: the worse urban mass transport mess in the nation, quite possibly in the world. And now the entire region's working class suffers bitterly -- all because of the xenophobic arrogance of the Seattle elite.

be well over $3.00+ by the summer.

of gas here in the Charlotte NC area.

Which is really funny because all the local news has been filled with joy over the fact of a mild winter. Heating fuel use was much less of an impact than it was projected to be.

Hmmmmm....

when gas went from .99 to 1.20 a gallon under President Clinton.. Clinton has no energy plan, blah blah blah...

Plain and simple, it's SPRING BREAK and they are GOUGING us! We now have a corporate government that thinks gouging the tax payers is the American way of doing business..

I remind my right-wing neo-con co workers what they told me when Bush was running for office the first time. They said watch the price of gas go down now, we will have a oil president.. ha ha

At least when I was there many years ago, I found that you can get anywhere on the tube or the trains.

If you live out in the country you have to drive...or walk. I am about 1.5 hours north of London. Mass transit around here is two people carpooling on a horse.

in the Atlanta metro area

is what I paid in my part of CT

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Gas should be dropping a bit over the next few days as oil drops about $2/bbl.

Went up 20 cents in the past week. :wtf:

For regular in central CA
(South of Fresno area)

Lowest: $2.58
Average: $2.67
Highest: $2.76

but that might be the only way to spur conservation and add impetus to developing new sources. Since gas has gone up in the last couple of years, hybrid cars are more popular than ever, and there are tax incentives to purchase them.

Best Price I've seen was 2.40 at Costco-Silverdale.

And to think that all the gas in the pacific northwest comes from Alaska.

Better not frighten an oil tanker and make it cost more.

I fully expect $3+ this summer.

Eugene, Oregon