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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 08:30 PM
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The US News & World Report story on illegal wiretaps and physical searches
as reported by Keith Olbermann:

The White House says spying on terror suspects without court approval is ok. What about physical searches?

By Chitra Ragavan

3/27/06

In the dark days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a small group of lawyers from the White House and the Justice Department began meeting to debate a number of novel legal strategies to help prevent another attack. Soon after, President Bush authorized the National Security Agency to begin conducting electronic eavesdropping on terrorism suspects in the United States, including American citizens, without court approval.

Meeting in the FBI's state-of-the-art command center in the J. Edgar Hoover Building, the lawyers talked with senior FBI officials about using the same legal authority to conduct physical searches of homes and businesses of terrorism suspects--also without court approval, one current and one former government official tell U.S. News. "There was a fair amount of discussion at Justice on the warrantless physical search issue," says a former senior FBI official. "Discussions about--if happened--where would the information go, and would it taint cases."

FBI Director Robert Mueller was alarmed by the proposal, the two officials said, and pushed back hard against it. "Mueller was personally very concerned," one official says, "not only because of the blowback issue but also because of the legal and constitutional questions raised by warrantless physical searches." FBI spokesman John Miller said none of the FBI's senior staff are aware of any such discussions and added that the bureau has not conducted "physical searches of any location without consent or a judicial order."

In December, the New York Times disclosed the NSA's warrantless electronic surveillance program, resulting in an angry reaction from President Bush. It has not previously been disclosed, however, that administration lawyers had cited the same legal authority to justify warrantless physical searches. But in a little-noticed white paper submitted by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to Congress on January 19 justifying the legality of the NSA eavesdropping, Justice Department lawyers made a tacit case that President Bush also has the inherent authority to order such physical searches.

In order to fulfill his duties as commander in chief, the 42-page white paper says, "a consistent understanding has developed that the president has inherent constitutional authority to conduct warrantless searches and surveillance within the United States for foreign intelligence purposes." The memo cites congressional testimony of Jamie Gorelick, a former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration, in 1994 stating that the Justice Department "believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060327/27fbi...
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 08:34 PM
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1. Ummm... wasn't Clinton shot down on that bit?
And isn't that what lead to the formation of FISA?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 08:38 PM
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2. not the formation of FISA
Edited on Mon Mar-20-06 08:40 PM by CatWoman
But the amendment of it to address physical searches.

I forgot the spy's name in question -- was it Aldrich Ames or something like that?

Clinton had the law amended after Ames was arrested. He and his house was searched, but this wasn't covered by FISA at the time.

Jimmy Carter enacted FISA.

http://www.brainshrub.com/aldrich-ames-case
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 08:41 PM
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3. Thanks for that!
I knew I was missing something, but I also got a gut feeling they were lying. Go figure! :)
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 08:41 PM
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4. my rule: if you have a "gut feeling" that they are lying
go with the gut :D
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