CNN Tells Country Noah's Ark Found!

It's true. Soledad had tears in her eyes and that flinty eyed, gray haired used car salesman, "John" (I don't know his last name) was filled with religous zeal as he laid out the facts.

I have vomit in my lap and all over my keyboard. Anyone else disturbed by the "feel" of that report?
Not a moment for advocating Darwin when Creationism VS. Evolution is discussed, but this!?

I flashbacked to the 70's with LEanord Nimoy!

Said he calculated that if it rained 1 foot/hr/day for 40 days that would be ~940ft deep. How did a boat get up above 15,000ft?

The guy replied, "It would take a lot of water"


:eyes:

in the 1970s-"The Search for Noah's Ark".

Or some such nonsense. So glad to see they are digging that up again. :eyes:

..."If found return to Noah?"

This one had a ship's bell that said "The Ark -- Holy Land -- 4121 BC"

edges?

The identified the ark because it contained shit from every kind of animal.

until after "C".

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Come Aboard. We're expecting you.
Love, life's sweetest reward.
Let it flow, it floats back to you.

Love Boat soon will be making another run
The Love Boat promises something for everyone
Set a course for adventure,
Your mind on a new romance.

Love won't hurt anymore
It's an open smile on a friendly shore.
Yes LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (hey-ah!)

Love Boat soon will be making another run
The Love Boat promises something for everyone
Set a course for adventure,
Your mind on a new romance.

Love won't hurt anymore
It's an open smile on a friendly shore.
It's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It's
LOOOOOOOOOOOVE!
It's the Love Boat-ah! It's the Love Boat-ah!

:bounce:

Nobody has seen a boat of any kind on Mt. Ararat! What these Christian fundamentalists have is a fairly clear satellite photo of some sort of rock or ice ledge. If you superimpose a shape of long boat or ship on this 'anomoly' you have something that would be roughly the right size for the biblical description on Noah's Ark! This is not a picture of a ship, vessel, or structure of any type. Photo analysts have reviewed the picture some call it a rock outcropping, some call it an ice flow,and some call it inconclusive. Can't they put this to rest!

That proves that this is the Ark, because the scientists have admitted that they have no non-biblical explanation!

:crazy:

Seems like it gets found about every 3 to 5 years. How do they manage to keep losing the damn thing?

(btw, Turkey hasn't allowed any ark searchers in almost 20 years)

Considering people were sailing in that region of the world for thousands of years BC, there's a full supply of Noah's Arks to be discovered.

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Link #1
Link #2

...so one would think someone would have noticed a large wooden structure up there by now. :shrug:

I suspect that the Turkish government doesn't want a bunch of religious zealots traipsing around a sensitive area (Ararat is right on the border with Armenia...)

-SM

that 3 and a half out of 4 expeditions to 'find the ark' have ended up having to be rescued off the mountain by the Turks because they're too damned stupid to know what they're doing (and/or too damned arrogant to listen to someone who might actually know something about traipsing around really high mounds of rock). Then they've ended up stiffing the Turkish government when presented with the bill for their rescue.

and every time that archeologists find the remnants of an ancient boat, the fundies say the same thing.

:eyes:

so what.

Some said it looked like Jesus, but I thought it looked more like Jim Morrison.

Guess I'm going to Hell now. :evilgrin:

It's gotta be better than this dump...

:evilgrin:

Egads.

Here come the second Dark Ages.

Are the fossilized remains of two unicorns. They didn't survive the trip because as we all know, unicorns need to feed directly on morning dew and run through rainbows while prancing in lush green fields in order to survive.

TlalocW

:spray:

words and music Shel Silverstein, new verse Andrew McKee

A long time ago, when the Earth was green
There was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen
They'd run around free while the Earth was being born
And the loveliest of all was the unicorn

There was green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
The loveliest of all was the unicorn

The Lord seen some sinning and it gave Him pain
And He says, "Stand back, I'm going to make it rain"
He says, "Hey Noah, I'll tell you what to do
Build me a floating zoo,
and take some of those...

Green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
Don't you forget My unicorns

Old Noah was there to answer the call
He finished up making the ark just as the rain started to fall
He marched the animals two by two
And he called out as they came through
Hey Lord,

I've got green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but Lord, I'm so forlorn
I just can't find no unicorns"

And Noah looked out through the driving rain
Them unicorns were hiding, playing silly games
Kicking and splashing while the rain was falling
Oh, them silly unicorns

There was green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Noah cried, "Close the door because the rain is falling
And we just can't wait for no unicorns"

The ark started moving, it drifted with the tide
The unicorns looked up from the rocks and they cried
And the waters came down and sort of floated them away
That's why you never see unicorns to this very day

You'll see green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
You're never gonna see no unicorns


Now you might think this is the ending to the song,
But I'll have to tell you friends that in fact you're wrong
You see, Unicorns are magical, so when the rain started pouring,
They grew themselves some wings and they took to soaring.

You'll see green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
But if you're looking for the unicorns, don't be forlorn,
The second star to the right and straight on until morning.

http://www.thebards.net/music/lyrics/The_Unicorn_Song.shtml

I like it, I like happy endings.

That song is a lot of fun to sing, especially if you are doing the gestures to the chorus...and it gets going fast. I think I have more fun with it then kids do.

made in china.

of the whole thing. He looked quite embarrassed to be reporting on it, in fact. He was really challenging the researcher with his facts -- making it clear that he though the idea of a flood putting a ship 15 thousand feet up in a mountian was pretty ridiculous.

;)

Why aren't they talking about that?

...and btw, how do they know it's not the boat made by Ut-Napishtim from the epic of gilgamesh, a story which predates the story of Noah?

Have they no shame? They even lie "Some experts think that these satellite images may be of Noah's Ark." No they don't - some nuttie fundamentalists who haven't the faintest idea about geology, aerial photography or boat building think they've seen what they've wasted their lives looking at biblical verses about. If you've pissed away your life trying believe a physically impossible myth is reality, I suppose you'll grasp at any straw. But for a 'news' organisation to tell it as if it's a news story is horrible.

"Taylor, a professor of national security law, spent the past 13 years on a quest to discover what is on Mount Ararat, the area where the Bible says Noah steered his ark through raging floodwaters."

This guy is probably a WH advisor when he's not on his religious quest...

Is Noah's Ark for years and decades now, but they still haven't gotten any kind of conclusive proof. And considering that Turkey hasn't allowed any expeditions up Ararat for a couple of decades now, how did they come across any real proof that it was the ark?

Sorry, but somebody is just talking out their ass again, and the gullible fools at CNN lapped it up like milk. I'm going to laugh long and hard when somebody does finally climb up there and finds out that the "ark" is nothing more than an unusual outcropping of rock.

Oh, and one other thing to consider, how do they know it's Noahs Ark? Considering how many different cultures from that time period have flood myths, complete with a ark, it could just as well be an ark belonging to the Greeks, Chinese, Native Americans, or any one of a dozen others.

This is just more MSM pandering to religious fundies. And yet these very same people are still whining about the "evil liberal media". Whatever:eyes:

that 1949 aerial photo of a vaguely boat shaped rock. But then they compared it to some medieval drawing where the guy penciled in a tiny boat sitting up there on the side of the mountain. They did show the satellite photo...it looks like a boat shaped rock outcropping.

I missed the beginning of the segment, though.

The problem with the fundies is you can never prove anything. They just let it quiet down for a bit, and then bring it up again a couple of years later. Another triumph of faith over truth.

This link seems to contradict the ABC article as to the size of the Ark. It notes that it's about 450ft x 75ft x 45ft for a total of about 1.5 million cubic feet. So let's go with an insanely conservative estimate and say that there were 1.5 million species of animals on the earth, that would mean 3 million animals on board, each having their own half cubic foot cargo space. I'd imagine it would quickly become very difficult to breathe once you manage to shrink down to your allocated space. I'm guessing they didn't allow carry ons.

And I can tell its a rock formation!!!

Many of these people are invested in this, and they make money off of the search...if it were suddenly disproven...their source of income would dry up

Sorry Soledad, parroting BushCo & Republican talking points isn't as popular anymore, and you may be asked to prove the credibility of your BushCo / Republican talking points these days. You could even end up looking like the paid for ass that you really are, like you did last week.

Perhaps you should look for a new line of work, where gossiping women congregate to discuss such tabloid discoveries and ignore real issues. Maybe Jerry Falwell has a hair dressing school for you to attend, to launch your new career.

Anybody know what THAT'S from?

Bake

Probably not ...

Oh Noah.....ping

I haven't heard that in years!

quite a bit when they were younger. When they'd get 'tudish I'd look at them with a big "wicked" grin and say "How long can you tread water?" It worked to diffuse the situation almost every time. :D The other favorite line was "pancakes, cupcakes, what's the difference?"

Gosh I love Cosby... now I'll have to find and listen to that tape again... hmmm... maybe give a copy to each daughter now that they're a new mommy and new mommy-to-be... there's much to be said for humor as a parenting skill. :)

For not only a sample of man to be saved by Noah and his Ark, but business samples of the other animals, too. You must understand that when Adam ate the apple in the Garden and learned how to multiply and replenish the other animals learned the Art, too, by watching Adam. It was cunning of them, it was neat; for they got all that was worth having out of the apple without tasting it and afflicting themselves with the disastrous Moral Sense, the parent of all the immoralities.

Noah built the Ark. He built it the best he could, but left out the most essentials. It had no rudder, it had no sails, it had no compass, it had no pumps, it had no charts, no lead-lines, no anchors, no log no light, no ventilation, and as for cargo room-- which was the main thing--the less said about that the better.
p.p.22 "Letter From The Earth"

:woohoo:

Mounds and mounds and mounds of it? (Lots of bullshit and horseshit especially.)

Known by us Darwin-loving heathens as "dinosaurs."

:rofl:

“My gut instinct is that it’s natural phenomena,” said Bill Crouse, president of Christian Information Ministries, who twice has led archeological expeditions to the mountains of southern Turkey.
“What I find when I analyze these photos is that this is naturally occurring,” he said, but then added, “of course, you never say never.”

Christian Information Ministries is an organization that gathers information for Christians. Headquartered in Richardson, Texas, it specializes in Noah’s ark research, cults, the occult and other non-Christian worldviews. Crouse recently contributed to The Explorers of Ararat. Founder and former editor of The Ararat Report, a newsletter recording progress in the search for Noah’s ark, Crouse said the geology of the region could create something resembling a ship.

"What we have here is a natural caldera,” Crouse said. “The caldera gathers ice and rock. When it breaks off, given the right conditions with ice and shadows, it can resemble a box-like shape.”

Not only does Crouse doubt the biblical correlation of the oblong shape that has perplexed explorers since the 19th century, he thinks current investigators have got the wrong mountain entirely. He said the mountain known as Ararat today “didn’t become the traditional landing spot of the ark until about 1200 A.D.”

www.baptiststandard.com/postnuke/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=4684

I find much to disagree with at Christian Information Mysteries. But--at least--these folks do not HATE the facts. They have done some research, even if some of their conclusions are not right. (That is, I don't think they are right!)

They've definitely done more research than CNN.

www.christianinformation.org/

She is clueless. In fact, she makes the actress from the movie Clueless look smart.

That was good.

Watching the morning news often means watching all the news channels for me. But I can't watch any of them very long without changing channels because they're so terrible.

Soledad is CNN's answer to Fox's ED Hill.

and if you're a believer, misses the point of the story. Of course the Hebrew Scriptures and other cultures all have flood stories. The important point isn't the Ark but the interplay between God and Noah. For example, at the end, God promises never again to drown all of mankind. That's kind of comforting given the state of the weather these days! (By the way, Noah isn't really a very good guy. He follows God's orders without a single argument and lets everyone else drown. Abraham on the other hand, bargained for the lives of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.)

On a more rational basis, I go with recent studies tying the story of the flood to the collapse of an ice dam in the Mediterranean Sea (?) that allowed a huge flow of water into the Black Sea flooding out early agricultural settlements at the end of the last Ice Age. Apparently the flow of water through the Bosporus still echoes this event and the archeology is fascinating.

This is a real shot in the dark BUT

Saturday morning CNN had a guy on from Chicago (I think) where they just opened up a "Evolving Planet" show at the museum of natural history.

Whoever the woman on CNN was all she could ask about was whether they had complaints from creationist OR Intelligent Design followers (see they are different).

It was horrible. All this guy (clearly not a press person) was asked about was how this DIDN'T mention creationism ("No disclaimers?") and if anyone had become upset that ID wasn't beign presented.

To his credit he very calmly mentioned that ID has no basis in science and that the scientific community has no issues with evolution.

They'd look great in the fireplace I'm planning!

Seriously, I am a Christian and I find it insulting that people spend good money tracking down Noah's ark when there are hungry children in the world. WWJD indeed!

I must me blind but I just don't see a boat. :eyes:

Supposedly the red outline delineates the measurements for the ark found in the bible. Alright.

However the "boat shape" (outlined here in blue and green) is maybe half as long and 2/3 as wide.
It's an outcropping of a geologic ridge (green line) from recent activity - these mountains are relatively young, so they have lots of crisp lines. It is in fact a ledge that casts a shadow (yellow line) across the floor of a small dip. The ridge itself slopes towards the northwest, and is capped by a snow pack.

If this is an ark, the Chugach mountains are full of arks. I'll have to break out my camera and sell fundies evidence that Noah landed in Alaska, looks like.

It's so clearly a rock formation and not actually all that boat-shaped when you really look at it. Silly Fundies.

But, yes, go ahead with your Alaska plan. I've been trying to find some way to exploit their particular mentality financially for some time. :)

....on the freeper boards, but this is pretty bad. Many of us democrats are Christians and have an opposing point of view then yours. That doesn't make us fundies who want to jam religion down anyone's throat.

Yet, that makes you want to puke.

I can't remember what party I'm in anymore with this level of intolerance.

if by "intolerant" you mean "laughing uncontrollably until the sobs come at the fact that these fucking nutjob imbeciles and others like them actually control damned near the entire world."

of course, we still allow you to control damned near the entire fucking world. how's THAT for tolerance?

...I can only assume "we" doesn't include you.

That's ok. I respect your views no matter how much hatred you have for me.

Gosh, you know I was about to post something sarcastic and inflammatory but your respect for his views has completely overwhelmed my mild contempt for your assumption that he hates you.

If you want someone to hate you, I'll step up and do the job.

:rofl:

For all the righteous indignation expressed by atheists on this board at the incredulous reporting, what disturbs me far more is how anyone, Christian or not, could welcome such sanctimonious poorly-researched crap coming out of their television.

....in the reaction. Personally, I think the idea of Noah putting a pair of every animal on the planet into a boat pretty nutty given when I know. But I am willing to admit that I am not as smart as everyone here and have no idea how every force in the universe works. Is it possible? I don't think so...doubtful. But not impossible until I understand all there is to know about our universe.

But the thought of it doesn't make me want to throw up.

It was more like CNN's attempting to don the priestly vestments of CBN that caused the bile to rise.

I didn't see the show - but it sounds like the breathless type of reporting the cable news take on over the next lost blonde who may have met perilous ends.

EVERY LIVING THING ON EARTH make you want to throw up?

Peeps who believe this story and continue to
"worship" said "God" creep me out. :puke:


I can't see raising MY kids with this "quaint"
story of the willful murder of everything and
everyone on the planet except a handful of the
"faithful". :puke:

You say:
"But not impossible until I understand all there is to know about our universe."

I understand enough NOT to get behind THIS kind of object lesson!
Excepting stories like this as true can lead to genocidal behavior!

On Edit:
For the record, I believe in floods.
I DO NOT believe they are "sent" to
punish mankind for their wickedness.

This is the latter.

Really - it's not as if Christians are idiots, which is what you'd have to be to accept this.

they are going to need it from Global Warming.

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edit: oh. that picture that has the most religiously-retarded of americans hopping around and dreaming that god finally sent them the sign they so loudly professed they didn't need or want.

anyway, it's just fucking ice pouring over a cliff. a boat would hard pressed to survive in *that* particular position for a few thousand years, hmm?

To fit two of everything into one boat, it would have had to have been the size of Kansas, once you got a few months' food supply on board. What a bunch of crap. And if he made it out of wood, it rotted a few thousand years ago. Morons.

And the remains of several "crewmen" who were later identified as from the Phillipines....

Had Titanic on them

...and a scrap of what appears to be Ambrose Bierce's hat.

may be more noah's ark than pieces of the true cross by this point

Hey, I got a nail from The cross.

Strange thing is, it looks just like a nail used for concrete forms. But I bought it from a reputable source, an auction at a Baptist church, so it must be authentic.

I think it's fascinating, and hope they finally can get the further exploration they need to delve into the nature of the object further. I admit, it is highly likely to be a natural formation, but just the intrigue itself I find exciting regardless of the low probability. I mean how cool would it be if all of a sudden they said "shit, it is made of wood and though inconclusive might actually be noah's ark!". Granted, that's a one in ten thousand shot, but ya can't tell me that wouldn't be a cool story. Not really sure why there's so much disgust in this thread about it though. I think it is funny that some are so certain it is the ark when in reality the odds are slim, but that would make sense to me to react with silliness. Not quite sure I get the reactions of some of disgust and bitterness, but to each their own. :)

always claiming it's a military area or something like that.

Santa Clause to bring me a new car next Christmas too.

on a "news" show as a new discovery in an attempt to boost the ratings. The chance that it is a ship are extraordinarily slim, never mind that it would be a ship from the era of the flood. Wasting space rehashing this old story was pandering to the Christian conservatives who are most likely to believe that it could be the ark. There's no proof here, there's no news. That is why some find it disgusting.
I don't watch the morning talk shows because they have fluff packaged as news all the time and I don't expect them to report anything more insightful, so for me it's just an eyeroller.
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That's pathetic.

:eyes:

This is just stupid.

Though the Turks should get smart and make the base of Mount Ararat an amusement park. Contract it out to Disney and claim the ark is really up there, it's just too big to bring down. Lots of American fundie tourist dollars to be made.

actually believe that silly shit story. Honestly, do they just not think about the absurdity and implausibility of it all. Fucking idiots.

by God to lead us through these dark and terror filled times? Still believe it, in spite of every indication that he's done the opposite of what Jesus preached every single decision he's made? Those people?

and don't miss the daily propaganda feed at all.

Creating the Black Sea in the distant (but not so far distant as to be unremembered) past.

Similarly, American Indian tales recall the scouring of the Columbia Gorge and the creation of Crater Like by volcanic eruption (both in Oregon).

It would have created regional flooding of mythic proportions.

All cultures have flood myths, mainly because all cultures have similar experiences, which experiences are recorded in ancient form in these tales. The massive 1000 year flood will be talked about for 1000 years if not longer.

built an ark and the whole world flooded that badly ... wouldn't it make more sense to to disassemble it and USE all that, already cut and planed wood (no easy task back then) to build shelters for your family and the animals you would need to be keeping like cows, goats, etc?

And it has not been shown that it is anything else but a rock formation.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/notark.html
Creation magazine published an exhaustive report by respected Australian geologist Dr. Andrew A. Snelling in its issue of September-November 1992. The 13-page report looked at the claims of the late Ron Wyatt, who was the prime lobbyist for this site's being the Ark. Dr. Snelling worked with other creationist geologists who had examined the site, and the overwhelming scientific opinion was that this is not the Ark.

Many, many religions have deluge stories in their scriptures. (The Noah's ark story appears in the Koran, for example.) They tend to differ in the details, though, specifying other landing sites for the ark. Are we going to search out all those other arks as well?

Here are some examples.

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Greek

Zeus sent a flood to destroy the men of the Bronze Age. Prometheus advised his son Deucalion to build a chest. All other men perished except for a few who escaped to high mountains. The mountains in Thessaly were parted, and all the world beyond the Isthmus and Peloponnese was overwhelmed. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha (daughter of Epimetheus and Pandora), after floating in the chest for nine days and nights, landed on Parnassus. When the rains ceased, he sacrificed to Zeus, the God of Escape. At the bidding of Zeus, he threw stones over his head; they became men, and the stones which Pyrrha threw became women. That is why people are called laoi, from laas, "a stone."

An older version of the story told by Hellanicus has Deucalion's ark landing on Mount Othrys in Thessaly. Another account has him landing on a peak, probably Phouka, in Argolis, later called Nemea.

Lithuanian

From his heavenly window, the supreme god Pramzimas saw nothing but war and injustice among mankind. He sent two giants, Wandu and Wejas (water and wind), to destroy earth. After twenty days and nights, little was left. Pramzimas looked to see the progress. He happened to be eating nuts at the time, and he threw down the shells. One happened to land on the peak of the tallest mountain, where some people and animals had sought refuge. Everybody climbed in and survived the flood floating in the nutshell. God's wrath abated, he ordered the wind and water to abate. The people dispersed, except for one elderly couple who stayed where they landed. To comfort them, God sent the rainbow and advised them to jump over the bones of the earth nine times. They did so, and up sprang nine other couples, from which the nine Lithuanian tribes descended.

Sumerian

The gods had decided to destroy mankind. The god Enlil warned the priest-king Ziusudra ("Long of Life") of the coming flood by speaking to a wall while Ziusudra listened at the side. He was instructed to build a great ship and carry beasts and birds upon it. Violent winds came, and a flood of rain covered the earth for seven days and nights. Then Ziusudra opened a window in the large boat, allowing sunlight to enter, and he prostrated himself before the sun-god Utu. After landing, he sacrificed a sheep and an ox and bowed before Anu and Enlil. For protecting the animals and the seed of mankind, he was granted eternal life and taken to the country of Dilmun, where the sun rises.

Chaldean

The god Chronos in a vision warned Xisuthrus, the tenth king of Babylon, of a flood coming on the fifteenth day of the month of Daesius. The god ordered him to write a history and bury it in Sippara, and told him to build and provision a vessel (5 stadia by 2 stadia) for himself, his friends and relations, and all kinds of animals. Xisuthrus asked where he should sail, and Chronos answered, "to the gods, but first pray for all good things to men." Xisuthrus built a ship five furlongs by two furlongs and loaded it as ordered. After the flood had come and abated somewhat, he sent out some birds, which returned. Later, he tried again, and the birds returned with mud on their feet. On the third trial, the birds didn't return. He saw that land had appeared above the waters, so he parted some seams of his ship, saw the shore, and drove his ship aground in the Corcyraean mountains in Armenia. He disembarked with his wife, daughter, and pilot, and offered sacrifices to the gods. Those four were translated to live with the gods. The others at first were grieved when they could not find the four, but they heard Xisuthrus' voice in the air telling them to be pious and to seek his writings at Sippara. Part of the ship remains to this day, and some people make charms from its bitumen.

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Much, much more at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html.