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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:13 PM
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Text Of Bushit's press conference....He actually SAID IT.........TWICE!!
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 03:58 PM by serryjw
quote.........
QUESTION: For the first time in years, interest rates are rising in the U.S., Europe and Japan at the same time. Is this a concern for you? And how much strain are higher interest rates placing on consumers and companies?

BUSH: First of all, interest rates are set by an independent organization of which ...

(CROSSTALK)

BUSH: Well, I'm not quite through with my answer yet. I'm kind of stalling for time here.

(LAUGHTER)

Interest rates are set by the independent organization. I can only tell you that the economy of the United States looks very strong. And the reason I say that is that projections for first quarter growth of this year look pretty decent.

end quote.....
How many Americans know this? I couldn't believe he said it. An 'Independent organization' controls everything is US??????? I'm sure the Federal Reserve and our CFR buddies are happy the now everyone has been told this by *
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20060321-0929-bush-text.html

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:14 PM
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1. I wonder what he thinks he is talking about
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:16 PM
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6. what is he talking about? n/t
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:16 PM
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7. The Federal Reserve. n/t
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:18 PM
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12. He's talking about the Federal Reserve, and likely knows it. n/t
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:15 PM
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2. surprise!!!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:15 PM
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3. A throwback to the days when Bush the First wanted Greenspan to
monkey with the rate to improve the economy so he could win reelection, and Greenspan refused....Bush #1 still blames Greenspan, in part, for losing that election...
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:15 PM
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4. Oh ? And what independent organization would that be??? nt
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:17 PM
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8. The Federal Reserve. n/t
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:20 PM
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15. Yes - and how independent are they? nt
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:27 PM
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19. Google is your friend. (Federal Reserve History)
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 03:38 PM by tasteblind
From wikipedia's Fed page:


The first institution with responsibilities of a central bank in the U.S. was the First Bank of the United States, chartered in 1791. Later, in 1816, the Second Bank of the United States was chartered. From 1837 to 1862, in the Free Banking Era there was no formal central bank, while from 1862 to 1913, a system of national banks was instituted by the 1863 National Banking Act. A series of bank runs later provided the impetus for the creation of a more centralized banking system.


The Federal Reserve Board was created by the U.S. Congress through the passing of the Federal Reserve Act (or Owen-Glass Act), signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on December 23, 1913.


In Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (9th Cir. 1982), the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit stated that the "Federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of a Federal Torts Claims Act, but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." The opinion also stated that "the Reserve Banks have properly been held to be federal instrumentalities for some purposes."

Another criticism of the Federal Reserve is that it is shrouded in secrecy. Meetings are held behind closed doors, and the transcripts are released with a lag of five years. Even expert policy analysts are unsure as to the logic behind Fed decisions. Critics argue that such opacity leads to greater market volatility, as the markets must guess, often with only limited information, about how the Fed is likely to change policy in the future. The jargon-laden fence-sitting opaque style of Fed communication is often called "Fed speak."

Furthermore, the lag in the release of FOMC transcripts, as well as the extremely limited and carefully worded minutes and statement, leads to the public being unaware of the issues of major concern to the Fed, and leaves it with an inadequate understanding of the logic and rationale behind the decisions. Some argue that this is a concerted attempt to keep Congress and the public at arm’s length, but this criticism has not gained much widespread acceptance.

Some advocate that the Fed should not exist, and that interest rates and money supply should be left to the free market. Advocates of free banking argue that there is no better judge of the proper interest rate and money supply than the market.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:16 PM
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5. Carlyle Group perhaps? Can't say as I'd call them independent though
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:17 PM
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10. Bush was referring the the Federal Reserve. n/t
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:24 PM
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17. sure he was talking about the Fed, but it's hardly "independent"
Theoretically, it's independent, but not in practice. It's very aware of the politics which surround it.

But yes, it was the Fed to which Bush referred.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:18 PM
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33. Sorry, was going to add a sarcasm tag, but thought maybe the comment
wasn't really that far off the mark.

Judicial canons require avoiding anything that even leaves an impression that there could be a conflict of interest - this cabal doesn't seem to mind the stench of it at all.

Maybe, since people are willing to spend $200,000,000 to get elected to a job that pays $200,000 a year - maybe they'd be willing to just donate all their assets to a charity upon taking the oath of office - they can earn it all back with speaking fees after their term anyhow.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:34 PM
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34. Trust me they do...and write a best seller
The Prezes annual income is $400,000!
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:17 PM
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9. Independent organization??
Maybe he means the "Zionists".:eyes: Who the hell knows? He sure doesn't.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:17 PM
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11. The Federal Reserve. n/t
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:24 PM
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18. Yes. I know it's the Federal Reserve.
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 03:28 PM by skypilot
I've just never heard anyone describe it in such vague terms before.

On edit: And I'm sure most people on this board are quite aware of the fact that the Federal Reserve sets interest rates.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:32 PM
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21. That wasn't the part the OP is referring to.
Most people labor under the misconception that the Federal Reserve is part of the federal government, which isn't exactly the case, as my post from wikipedia above shows.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:38 PM
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23. The OP specifically emphasized...
...the parts of Bush's statement where he referred to this cryptic "independent organization", so I assume that that is what the OP is referring to. I think most people here are wondering why he didn't just say the Federal Reserve. Maybe he forgot what it was called. Wouldn't be surprising at all. You seem to be assuming that everyone here is as clueless as he is.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:42 PM
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24. We essentially agree.
I don't assume that. But I can't assume that the several people who asked what "independent organization" he was referring to are being facetious, either.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:49 PM
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27. Why can't you assume they are being facetious??
We do that here all the time where Bush is concerned.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:55 PM
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28. Cause one of them mentioned the Carlyle Group, for one.
That's a pretty obvious indicator.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:38 PM
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35. But it doesn't exactly set interest rates, does it?
It sets the discount rate that banks get charged by the federal government to borrow money, as I understand it. That's not exactly the same thing as dictating that all savings accounts deposited in banks will get 6% interest, for instance.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:19 PM
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13. Clearly he's speaking on a global basis;
"Independent" of, say, Britain. You know, like how we fought them for independence, that kind.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:39 PM
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36. The Feds are not independent of Britain
Who do you think are the FEDS.The Bank Of England ......maybe??
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:19 PM
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14. That's hilarious. Most people, as this thread indicates, don't know it.
I'm sure they are all pretty pissed off about it.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:22 PM
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16. Wow and he has an MBA?
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 03:25 PM by xxqqqzme
for quite some time now I have been absolutely convinced that they really, really R making this shit up as they go along...especially the stuff that happens outside the neo-con redprint, i.e. Katrina.

Too bad there are not follow up questions - I'd love 2 know the name of that 'independent organization' he just can't quite name.

How many brain cells do you figure R still capable of firing?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:28 PM
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20. He's talking about the Federal Reserve. n/t
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:35 PM
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22. Is it illegal to write on every bill below Federal Reserve Note
"Privately Owned Bank, not U.S. Government" or would that get you sent to Gitmo?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:49 PM
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26. Dunno if that constitutes mutilation of currency, which is illegal.
Still, proving who did it would be impossible, so it doesn't really matter.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:06 PM
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32. Mutilation of currency (google is your friend):
United States Code
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 17 - COINS AND CURRENCY
§ 333. Mutilation of national bank obligations

“Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or
unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill,
draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking
association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System,
with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence
of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than six months, or both.”
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=426715

note from trof: Unless "they" can prove your "intent" was to render the currency unfit to be reissued, I'd think you can write any damn thing you want to on a bill, including "Impeach Bush".
:-)
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:46 PM
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25. I Think Most People Already Assumed It
I think most people think the banks would set the rates indepedently if there was no fed. THe fed actually simplifies the interest rate setting between the commercial banks which stabilizes overall interest rates to the consumer.

It's not a bad thing. Greenspan just did some stupid things and overcontrolled the system, but it's not inherently bad for consumers or business.
The Professor
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 03:58 PM
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29. For people who are interested in an explanation of the Federal Reserve,
there is a great article about it here: http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2004_10/woolsey-fed.html

Be warned, it is written by a libertarian, but it is pretty accurate and informative.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:00 PM
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30. "independent organization" = "Not MY fault."
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:01 PM
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31. That's one way of reading it.
Another that has been mentioned above is, "What's the name of that thing again?" :D
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:42 PM
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37. EXCELLENT..That's exactly what he meant by that quote
ONE thing ( he was saying) you can't blame on me!!!!
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:44 PM
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38. It's privately owned
Just because it has "Federal" in the title, people don't realize it's a privately owned company.

The answer to who owns the Fed and by proxy the entire USA:

Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Goldman Sachs Bank of New York.

In The Secrets Of The Federal Reserve, Eustace Mullins indicates that, because the Federal Reserve Bank of New York sets interest rates and controls the daily supply and price of currency throughout the U.S., the owners of that bank are the real directors of the entire system. Mullins states:

"The shareholders of these banks which own the stock of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York are the people who have controlled our political and economic destinies since 1914.

They are the Rothschilds,
Lazard Freres (Eugene Mayer),
Israel Sieff,
Kuhn Loeb Company,
Warburg Company,
Lehman Brothers,
Goldman Sachs,
the Rockefeller family, and the
J.P. Morgan interests."


Also, further down on the chain, old Bush family friends:
Allen Dulles John Foster Dulles
Sullivan & Cromwell Sullivan & Cromwell
Director - CIA U. S. Secretary of State

Did you know that JFK wanted to do this?
On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous. <http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm>

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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:54 PM
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39. well, yes, every single one of those banks own shares
in the Federal Reserve Bank of their local district (in that case, the 2nd, headquartered in NY) but every bank in the United States owns shares in their local federal reserve bank, they cannot buy, sell or trade those shares, they are collateral from the Fed for the required security deposit that all banks must make in the Fed system, which does not pay interest.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:57 PM
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41. Yep. JFK definitely didn't mind stepping on toes.
No wonder he didn't finish his term.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:06 PM
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43. yea-pull the troops out of Nam, destroy the fed..
Smash the Cia to "smithereens" what an asshole!
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:10 PM
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44. They sure showed him.
:(
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 06:10 PM
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47. Time to show them, then.

How, of course, is up to the US of A.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:04 PM
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42. yeah, and you see what happened to JFK....
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:56 PM
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40. Doesn't he brag about being a business man
and running the gov't like a business? Yet he has no clue about economics and has an MBA?

:wtf:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:11 PM
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45. He shouldn't brag. Everything he's ever done has lost money.
The U.S. Government being no exception.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:34 PM
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46. Lot of lay offs....Argh!
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