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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:37 PM
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Take a look at this Chicago Tribune Editorial...
With friends like these, who needs enemies?

A cautionary note about impeachment
Charles M. Madigan
Published March 21, 2006


Before lots of people on the left jump on the impeachment bandwagon, I just want to note that I don't think it's the right thing.

George Bush was elected president of the United States at least once. I think he has been particularly bad at it the last few years. He has some time left to straighten things out.

...

Bush will or won't solve his problems and then he and the whole pack of dubious players who came in with him will be gone.

But, elected by the people, Bush should sit in that chair until the final day of his term.

This is a democracy, not a business. You can push an unpopular chief executive officer out the window anytime you want. You can't do that with a president because the office is much bigger than the man who sits in it.

If stupidity were a high crime or a misdemeanor, we would all be in prison.

...

Criticism is one thing that should always be welcome.

But we can't impeach a president just because people don't like the job he is doing.

More...


There's so much wrong here I don't even know where to start. Honestly, what a fool.

I'd love to have anyone justify this person being on the payroll of the Chicago Tribune.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:40 PM
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1. Strictly speaking, it's a commentary by Madigan,
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 04:44 PM by Kurovski
not an editorial by the Chicago Tribune.

Edit: And he appears to be something of an idiot. You don't let a president commit crimes on the scale Bush has.

His premise that impeachment is discussed merely because people "don't like" Bush is a particularly dire brand of willful idiocy.
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republicansarewhores Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:12 PM
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21. I wonder what this TOOL thought of...
The neocon WHORES impeaching Clinton because they didn't like him?

RAW
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:34 AM
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22. Well, he had a article on Clinton's impeachment listed
in Free Republic, which is at least an indication.

you'll have to pay money now to read in in the Trib archives, but here's the title:

THE MAJORITY DOZES, SO THE MINORITY RULES

An article by Madigan from Oct. 25, 1998
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:42 PM
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2. Argh!
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:45 PM
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3. we don't want impeachment for stupidity
he fucking committed treason, repeatedly. I hate these apologist assholes always whipping out the 'affable dumbass' card when this prick has been responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of people for no other reason than to enrich his base.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:46 PM
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4. Really....well the writer should have thought about that
when the Repugs tried to impeach Clinton....they set the bar so low for impeachment that we the people and hopefully a 2006 Dem Congress are obligated to impeach the war criminal and his minions...

<snip>
But we can't impeach a president just because people don't like the job he is doing.
<snip>

But it's okay to impeach a president for getting a BJ?

These people have selective and short memories....
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:46 PM
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5. It's the Tribune, what did you expect?
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 04:46 PM by terrya
Hell, except for Molly Ivins (once a week), Leonard Pitts, Jr (once a week) and Stephen Chapman, it's practically unreadable most of the time. They also carry whiny right winger Katherine Parker, so that tells you something.

Apparently, it didn't occur to Charles Madigan that Presidents can be impeached for lying/breaking the law. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, this President has already done.

And some people certainly didn't observe this kind of thinking with Bill Clinton, now did they?
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:50 PM
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6. True.
It's moments like these that remind me why I stopped reading the Chicago Tr(e)bublican.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:53 PM
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7. I wonder what the time machine would say about them discussing
Clinton's impeachment?

:eyes:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 07:22 PM
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17. "We believe in the rule of law, a president who lies about sex
will lie about anything."

At least that's what my trip in the "Wayback" machine revealed.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:10 PM
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18. That is what they were saying.
Hah.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:54 PM
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8. Speak for yourself, buddy. I am not stupid. The stupid are the
guys like you who write tripe about letting someone stupid continue to run our nation into the ground in every area of governance. I can guarantee you that the citizens of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast wish he had been gone last August before he left them without water or escape. You and Bush deserve to be housed in the same looney bin somewhere in Cuba.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:55 PM
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9. Dear Chicago Tribune...
"But we can't impeach a president just because people don't like the job he is doing". :wtf:

I wonder how truly delusional (supposedly) educated people must be to 1, write this junk and 2, think we're going to swallow it. America knows Bush is an idiot and no they don't like the job he's doing because he's breaking the law.

You see the president doesn't get to do that just because he wants to and no am ont of bs journalistic ineptitude will change the facts or the minds of those of us who know what he has done to our country.

The Chicago Tribune is a farce and a slap in the face to true journalists.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:57 PM
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10. But if he has committed crimes,
then shouldn't he be held responsible? Impeachment is the only option available.

STFU Chicage Trib.:grr:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:59 PM
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11. "He has some time left to straighten things out."
Quick! get moron* a flash light and pry both his hands off that bottle scotch, he has some ass finding to do!!!

what kind of living stool wrote this putrid slop?

Moron* has first to be able to pronounce his* words, walk straight and ride a bike without falling off before he* could ever think about straightening out the unstraightenoutable.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:06 PM
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12. I'll never understand...
why people still think that with 6 years of failed policies and inaction on issues that matter most to Americans, that somehow, some way, Bush is going to pull off some kind of magnificent turn around and change his ways.

Only a fool would think like that. And this man is clearly a fool.

"Everything you've done up to this point has been wrong for America, but I'm willing to give you 2 more years to figure it out. I mean, it's not like being stupid is a crime, and hell, you were elected...once." :wtf:
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:09 PM
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13. My LTTE on point...
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 05:11 PM by reichstag911
Dear Sirs:

My list of problems, and explanations of those problems, with Mr. Madigan's article decrying the possibility of George Bush's impeachment would extend far beyond the length allowed in this forum, so I will be brief.

Regarding Mr. Madigan's statement that Bush "has been particularly bad at (being President) the last few years": Does that not pretty much encompass his entire stolen term in office, sir? At what point has Mr. Bush's presidency been considered a success by any but the wealthy beneficiaries of his spendthrift fiscal "policies" (i.e. tax cuts, and more tax cuts)?

Regarding his glib assertion that "The war is not going well because they only go well when they end.": This is patently absurd. Prior to American/Union victories in the wars that we won prior to the National Security Act of 1947 (Civil War, WWI, WWII), things were going very well, thus the ultimate victory. Had things been going badly prior to the end of those wars, and others, it is unlikely the enemy of the hour would have capitulated.

The questions about the accuracy of "elected by the people, Bush should sit in that chair until the final day of his term" are apparent, and needn't be belabored.

I could go on much longer, point by point, but I will close with my response to Mr. Madigan's contention that "This is a democracy, not a business." First, as the dubious election results (esp. from Ohio) in 2004 and Supreme Court stoppage of the Florida recount in 2000 indicate, calling the US a democracy is something of a stretch. Also, remember it was Bush who campaigned on his ability to run our government like a business. If that is the case, and he is the "unpopular chief executive" in question and we are the shareholders, which we are, it is time for him to go out the window.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:10 PM
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14. Amen!
I commend you for going after Madigan's tripe point-by-point. I couldn't stomach doing so.
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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:31 PM
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15. I would fire his ass just as quickly as I would an incompetent
tradesman. I didn't put him in office, and I sure as hell want to fight to get him off my payroll. Why should I keep paying someone who keeps f__cking me over? He is my employee, nothing more as far as I am concerned.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:57 PM
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16. Sure he's just an employee of the people...
but he's also in the office. And the office is bigger than any man. It means that as long as he's in there, we need to follow him right or wrong. As long as he's a Republican.

:crazy:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:13 PM
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19. someone needs to send him the DSM
:grr:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:29 PM
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20. This Is Beyond Impechment, It's Criminal...Impeachment Is Political
People feel as though impeachment would be some do-all end-all to the Repugnican party or somehow reverse the 2000 and 2004 elections and turn the clock back. Sorry, not gonna happen and isn't what really is what we're facing here.

I need not go into the impossibilities of even getting impeachment resolutions introduced into the Judiciary Committee yet alone a vote on the House and Senate floors. That's where only super sold Democratic majorities could make it happen...and even if there was a massive Democratic landslide this November, by the time investigations and articles were introduced, the 2008 election is starting to kick into gear.

Repugnicans love the impeachment game as it plays into the "boooosh hate" meme that is one of the very few they can use to rally the dwindling Repugnican base...and an overall concept that a majority of Americans really don't favor. No one wants to relive the circus that surrounded the Clinton inquisition (and it backfired on the Repugnicans)...a boooosh impeachment would create a similar backlash that would turn political and personal and away from the criminality involved.

Sadly, the crimes of this regime also won't end the day they are ejected from the White House. The many criminal acts they've pulled upon the world and American people will take years to play out. It's the private civil and criminal suits and international tribunals that will should and will ultimately determine this cabal's place in history.

Cheers...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:06 AM
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23. Too fucking hilarious!!!
Poor ignorant thing REALLY needs to edumacate itself a bit better, starting with the USC.

How do these dumb fucks breathe on their own???
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:10 AM
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24. Whoever this person is probably called for Clinton's impeachment
Hypocrisy in action! :D
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