Bev Harris burned her source

I just caught this news story about Stephen Heller, the fellow facing felony charges for revealing that Diebold broke the law in California.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/18/state/n073150S99.DTL

This graf leaps right off the screen:



Why in God's name did she reveal the source of the documents? This is a women who styles herself as an "investigative journalist", yet she burns the source of critical information about "her" story.

She TOLD the investigators who her gave the documents and now he is facing jail. And yes, she is supposedly donating $10,000 to his defense (though I require more evidence than Bev's word), but this does not change the fact that she screwed this guy by revealing his name.

This is just unforgivable.

I await the people who have lectured me about how Bev "has done so much for this movement" to explain to me how allowing a confidential source to be charged with three felonies will encourage other people to trust her or the movement.

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the finale of Bev's looting activist. :popcorn:

:popcorn:

I feel bad for the guy. It's truly amazing to me that people continue to work with her.

this is the only kind i can eat. the real kind upsets my guts. i don't miss it that much, except for moments like this.

:popcorn:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

A bad person involved in an important cause.

that other people were going to do this to her...

the reporter at the LA Times thinks of her mother's behavior?

to come forward. And without the whistleblowers the votes will almost certainly cnotinue to be vulnerable to being stolen.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.

You are so right about her antics. She gets the media attention long enough to look really lame. I agree, you shouldn't rat out a source.

Her case is made.

Pretty neat, really.

:puke:

I owe her an apology.

Try PMing her.

:toast:

So we argued and debated over that topic. No hard feelings at all. :hug:

I bow to your greater judgement.

you'd think she was TRYING to f*** up the whole enchilada...

anyone else from trusting her with sensitive information.

BBV to someone competent who has some credibility left.

Her ego won't let her. This is all about her, it has never been about the movement.

are controversial. She's a sick, sick person.

:kick:

After all, it meant Diebold would settle that lawsuit faster!

Put it on the front page so other whistleblowers don't get burned by this woman.

.....follow that by demeaning the source, and follow all that by killing the story. I can't believe republicans would ever do something like this, I am truly :wow: :sarcasm:

Her claim to be in tight with George didn't go over well.

I could never understand why they didn't ban her.

of Andy Stephensen and his supporters.

How did she get so... Nixonian?

She'd sell you if you sat down for five minutes.

I will NEVER forgive that lying freeper for that.

And where, oh where is the accounting for her non-profit organization?

I can find no accounting for group.

Did she not file IRS papers?

I know she never paid withholding tax for Andy Stephenson's time working for her, and never sent him a W2.

She took in like a MILLION dollars and has not filed and tax paperwork on it that I can find.

And Andy Stephenson told me, before he died, that she commingled her funds and BBV's funds and spend whatever she wished on herself, and that she had no personal checking account!

Sheesh, she's just crazy.

Unfortunately, it denegrates the entire topic of BBV.

I was at a forum on e-voting last night with a liberal author who is VERY responsive to this topic. He said every time he talk to reporters, Bev's name comes up as one example of why the press isn't taking the topic seriously.

Is there somebody who can take that ball away from her.

Hint, Hint. :D I'm looking at you KM. :D

that evry elections office in Calif. has seen Bev in action in person, and they think she is a complete crackpot, and that she is doing HARM to the movement. "Mission Accomplished". Fuck you, Bev.

I hate that woman but because we need to know what we're up against and how to get our message across.

And because I hate that woman. :evilgrin:

So good to see ya.

:)

I know her socially. I talked to her at a social event last summer. I said, "Bev Harris...." You should have SEEN the look on her face! As though I'd just emptied a gunnysack of steaming shit on the floor.

She told me that all of the top California elections officials do get together for conferences, and that she had just returned from one, that they are all familiar with Bev, have seen her antics, and that BH ruins the credibility of the movement.

My friend was pissed, because she supports PAPER BALLOTS. I asked her about random recounts. She said that our county always does random recounts. I asked, "Truly random?" She said truly random, and on top of that, if ANY citizen calls the office with a concern over ANY precinct, they hand recount that one too, no matter how long it takes. She is one of the "good guys" and was upset and concerned about the damage that Bev causes by destroying the credibility of the movement with her insane antics, making it harder for the officials who oppose the machines to convince the others.

That's exactly what people were dreading.

:(

that not all elections officials are the "bad guys", that some ARE ON OUR SIDE and that we must support and work with them, not alienate them. But Bev has managed to do just exactly that.... alienate the elections officials who would support our cause and work for paper ballots and truly random recounts among their peers.

Fuck Bev.

reporters and election officials roll their eyes and tune you out.

As you see, some election officials ARE honest, sincere people. They don't appreciate people giving them the patented "Bev Harris anal reaming"

three months of committee hearings and never mentioned her name once.

Do you by chance have the rcording of her last appearance in Randi Rhodes?

Any clues as to what the date was?

after she posted she had fired Andy, which was the 14th if memory serves.

http://server2.whiterosesociety.org/content/rhodes/ <--- ALL here.

...and wasn't Bev being a bitch to Randi?! Like she didn't call in when she was supposed to, or something like that.

Lu

If Randi Rhodes and others on Air America come to understand the issue of e-voting and of Bev Harris's dubious role in combating it -- especially that this is not just some trivial snit-fit -- couldn't she/they help the cause by hosting more credible activists?

Sorry if that's a run-on sentence. I only listen to the radio when I'm driving the car on errands, so my connection to Air America is spotty at best. But I like Randi, and I loved her on Lou Dobbs yesterday.

Hekate

She does mention the machines can't be trusted, but she has never had any one else on discussing the issue.

This is yet another of Bev's legacy, we are persona non grata there and on Oberlmann.

understand the hostility. I am way out of the loop on this.

can't keep up with the attrocities wihtout a score card.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188

When she first came on the scene, I tried to interview her. I left msg after msg and she never phoned me or emailed me back. So I dropped it. Then I watched her tell people that no one in the media was interested in taking this on. So I called and called again, nada. Then she went after Andy big time and for that she lost all credibility not just an advocate, but as a human. Finally, when one of my writers wrote an article about Dieb throat, bev left comments trying to discredit the story. My take? She is a shill working to make the voting reform movement look like a bunch of scammers. There is no way to explain this type of unprofessional and unethical behavior.

"There is no way to explain this type of unprofessional and unethical behavior." Ahhhh... but you just did.

A spy working to discredit Andy's work while leading everyone down a bunch of empty rabbit holes. The attacks on Andy were just too coordinated to be just a bunch of random jerks, they were meant to crush the truth as well as his life. Bev is a part of them, always was, always will be. Andy was a warrior and a early casualty of the beginning of the new American Revolution. God bless his soul.

(around the Spring of 2003) she started using me to answer her press queries. She was VERY BAD about answering her phone messages and email. She would use my phone number and email address as contact info, telling people to "contact my publisher", then "contact my assistant", then later "contact my co-author" (I preferred "contributing author").

I would answer questions and arrange interviews, calling her before radio interviews to make sure she was ready and had remembered.

This was fine until the Fall of 2003 when the Diebold DMCA abuse started, then all of a sudden I was trying to "usurp her standing" and was told point blank that I wasn "not to talk to the press" that she would. So, I passed along messages and emails and they stopped being answered again.

This is, in my opinion, what happened with Keith Oberlmann. She just never returned calls, they called her on it, and she lied and claimed she did.

Reporters learned damn quick that if they wrote something she didn't like, she would call them up, scream profanities at them, and threaten to sue them.

Lala, if you can PM me with any details, I would appreciate it. I am trying to keep a chronicle of this dark period of my life.

his last check AND on his health insurance. He tried to fight that for a while.

Then, she sat at those other places and loudly proclaimed that he was not really sick.

A lovely lady, that grifter.

:cry:

:cry:

And the site that I don't care to name.

She was supposed to file a Form 990 by November 15th. I checked on Monday and it still had not appeared at Guidestar. The IRS told me it can take three months for the form to be publicly available, so we should have either a form or an extension form by now. I tried to call them on Monday but the lines were busy. My notes are below - all the info I gathered when I first started looking into this - everything is from public records. If you are interested you can call the IRS or fill out a form and request a copy of BBV's Form 990.

_____________________________________


Black Box Voting (Until December 2008) Renton WA USA --

http://www.irs.gov/foia /


http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?npoId=100316616

330 SW 43RD ST PMB-K547
% LINDA FRANZ
RENTON , WA 98055
GENERAL INFORMATION

* This organization is a 501(c)(3) Public Charity.
* This organization is required to file an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ.
* Contributions are deductible, as provided by law.

NTEE Code

* R40—Voter Education/Registration

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FORM 990 AND EDOCS

None Available.

Why can't I find IRS Form 990s for this organization?


http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?nam...

BLACK BOX VOTING

UBI Number 602 403 081
Category Regular Corporation
Profit/Nonprofit Nonprofit
Active/Inactive Active
State of Incorporation WA
Date of Incorporation 06/10/2004
License Expiration Date 06/30/2006

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Agent Name PTSGE CORP
Address 925 FOURTH AVENUE STE 2900
City SEATTLE
State WA
ZIP 981041158

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They should have filed their first 990 by November 15th.


http://www.irs.gov/foia /

Tax-exempt or political organization returns:

By phone: Contact the Tax Exempt/Government Entities Hotline at (877) 829-5500, or send completed Form 4506-A to the address printed on the form.

Online: Forms 990 are available online through Guidestar, a privately funded database of nonprofit organizations. Some Employee Plan information is available online through private research services (e.g., FreeERISA.com ).

And if the IRS lets her get away with it, that could only be due to orders from on high.

She is registered as a non-profit, they have her on record, and she is required to file. If any of you get a chance to call the IRS or fill out the request form, please do. Let's find out what happened to that million she raised. I'm very curious. I know one thing. It wasn't used to recount Florida.

Would that be enough to trigger an inquiry by the IRS? or even an audit?

I don't know about such things, but it's a real nice thought, isn't it?
:evilgrin:

Hekate

subscribe to Guidestar or go to the IRS. She MUST provide the 990 upon request, BY LAW. She can request 'reasonable' photocopy fees, but BY LAW they must be provided to anybody requesting them in writing.

I question her status as a nonprofit (non politcal) org., considering she (in her own words) OFFERED Washington state gov. candidate Rossi(R) advice during the recount. Not "candidates", plural, only Republican-Rossi.

And I'd rather call the IRS than BBV! :)

Few words are vile or shocking enough to accurately
describe the utter waste of carbon known as Bev Harris.

This guy found out what many already know:
you get close to Bev, you end up with a knife in your back.

It's just her NATURE.

State law protects whistle-blowers from retaliation by employers, but it does not preclude criminal prosecution...

..."This case is not about whistle-blowing. It's about theft of attorney-client privileged material from an attorney's office," said Sandi Gibbons, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office...

...Heller has pleaded not guilty to three counts of felony access to computer data, commercial burglary and receiving stolen property...

What a horror. He should be rewarded for exposing Diebold.

...The memos suggested that Diebold may have broken state law by providing Alameda County with voting machines that had not been certified by the state.

Apparently, saving voters from rigged voting is not considered heroic by the State of California.

Most folks would be appalled to discover how narrow and limited such statutory 'protections' are. (Been there; done that.)

if the person you revealed your name to doesn't hand it over to the police, you don't need a whistle blower law of any sort.

What exists doesn't amount to much. Prohibiting employer retaliation, but not prohibiting prosecution. That's pretty scary to any potential whistleblower.

inviolable, except for a very few circumstances.

but Heller isn't the lawyer. Bev wasn't the lawyer.

Would it have been admissible in court? Nope. Was it admissible in the court of public opinion that Diebold was trying to subvert democracy? Yep.

that extends the priviledge to him.

depends on what his contract says. He was working for a service I believe.

Again, we are not arguing the admissibilty of the docs. They would be inadmissible in court.

First, there may be a quirk in California law I don't know about, but here goes...

Non-attorney support staff (even temps) also are granted attorney/client privilege and also are bound to maintain confidences. Otherwise an opposing attorney or prosecutor could just subpoena a secretary to find out what privileged discussions were had.

I hold no love of Diebold but work product materials must be protected.

If there is whistle-blower protection then good.

If Stephen Heller prevented vote rigging...

He is also not an attorney. I realize he worked for the attorney, but he, himself, had no confidentiality agreement with the client. I'm sure he had some kind of confidentiality agreement with his employer. Does breaking an agreement with an employer constitute a crime?

The attorney paid the client for the breach of confidentiality, but that was not a criminal case, was it?

Just wondering. No matter what happens, Stephen Heller did the U.S. citizens a patriotic service.

Edit: Maybe the didn't pay. I don't know what went on between attorney and client regarding this breach.

of whether an attorney, as an officer of the court, can be party to the commission of a crime. If your client says he has "done the deed", you can't go into to court and claim he hasn't. The best you can do is resign from the case.

If they knew Diebold was selling uncertified voting machines?

I must admit that I really don't know what is going on in enough detail to figure out anything. I hope Heller has a defense. I know he did it, but did he do it to stop a crime? Shouldn't that matter?

This is just one more very depressing thing in the Bush atmosphere of despair and dismay.

I need to know. It is that I am extremely concerned about Stephen Heller. I'm also concerned about the consequent harm to the public in general if Stephen Heller and other potential whistleblowers are convicted of felonies.

For Heller to face felony convictions is unforgivable, in my opinion. If he is convicted, what hope have we that other patriots will try to save our voting? Facing years in prison, or simply felony convictions with suspended sentences, is an extremely high price to pay. It is a very strong deterrent to our quest for freedom and representation.

If Bev had made him a party to the suit (his docs were crucial evidence) he would have been protected.

But that would have meant sharing the money.

That not withstanding, she TOLD the investigators his name. If she kept her mouth shut, no one would have known where the docs came from.

and the unwillingness to include other people, believed to be for monetary reasons.

I read in the article that she told investigators. I feel so sorry for Stephen Heller. What he did was a patriotic service to the entire country.

How much money did Bev get from the suit? Any idea?

She claimed she donated it to BBV, but wew have yet to see evidence of such.

Jim March made it absolutely clear that he was keeping the money, as I recall.

At the very least, she now needs to donate every penny of it to the defense of the whistleblower, Stephen Heller.

... California's Shield Law?? If not, she'd be facing charges herself. No matter what one's opinion is of the individual (Bev Harris, Judy Miller, or Bob Novak?), it seems to me that their legal jeapordy and jurisdiction might be worth considering.

CA's shield law protects "a publisher, editor, reporter, or other person connected with or employed unpon a newspaper, magazine, or other periodical publication, or by a press association or wire service" and a "radio or television news reporter or other person connected with or employed by a radio or television station." The Shield Law also likely applies to stringers, freelancers, and perhaps authors, though that's iffy.

And even if she were protected, the Shield Law doesn't apply if:

1. The defendant demonstrates a reasonable possibility that the information with materially assist the defense; and
2. The defendant's fair trial rights outweigh the journalist's rights. In deciding this, a court will consider:

A. The degree of importance of the informaiton to the defendant
B. Whether the information is otherwise available from another source and the defendant has attempted to obtain it.
C. If testifying would hinder the newsgathering ability of the reporter
D. If the information is confidential or sensitive

If the court does order disclosure of the information, it must:

1. Give the reporter 5 days notice before a contempt citation witll be issued
2. Issue a written order
• Disclosure of information under these conditions does not constitute a waiver of the right to assert the Shield Law for the same information in the future

You don't burn your source when your source has acted in good faith. This is not a Judy Miller situation.

I'm a journalist, fer chrissake :hi:

the pros when she called herself one.

in the Blog Age, it's amazing the amount of people that consider themselves "journalists" -- some of them have a better ethic than many of my fellows in the field. Others, on the other hand, tend to make the entire profession look asinine. The preponderence of self-appointed "journalists" with absolutely no editorial oversight does tend to irk me sometimes, but the comparative benefits are pretty good. After all, blogs and other non-traditional new media have been responsible for breaking some serious news in the last few years.

but have never presumed to call myself a journalist, even though I had a column for three years and wrote lots of feature stuff.

I haven't paid my dues (J-school, working a regular paper beat) so I don't feel I can use the term. I do pride myself on better research than some of the folk you mention. <s>

She claims to be an "investigative journalist".

All I know is that I have never revealed my sources and never will.

Where does that come from? I know she is an experienced online cigar seller, but WHAT is her journalism experience, other than claiming to be a PR person?

at one point when I commented that what we were seeing (the efforts between her and DU) was a new era in journalism, open source reporting (yet another great tool that could have been, but for Bev). At that point she started calling herself a investigative journalist, using Scoop New Zealand for her credentials when she was calling Diebold or talking to people.

When the story got so big that the Big Boys were talking to her, she turned on Scoop and began absuing them.

It bears repeating that she has NO computer credentials, no security credentials, and no legal credentials. She claims to have PR credentials and an accounting background, but I am highly skeptical in the absence of hard proof.

you DID report that to the IRS, right?

She was, to my ignorant mind, the only person involved in the movement. I only hung out on the Randi Rhodes message board then.

...with 5% of the money she has WASTED. :cry:

My next ship is coming in, Ben. It's not 5% of much, but WR will get some it.

:hi:

but will help out in your next fund drive!

:)

Love is what keeps me going.

you can skip the donations... :)

:)

a lot of us were suckered. Some folks paid a far higher price, as we can see.

But what she did to Andy trumps anything I've seen her do to anybody. Which is saying a LOT, since she leaves a string of dead bodies behind her.

I was a HUGE cheerleader for her, and I'm still ashamed of it. She has betrayed so many, many people, and has done cruel and irreversible damage to people's lives (this latest outing of her source is just another life destroyed).

It's just mind-boggling how she has ANYONE in her circle that can stand her.

:kick:

simulate compassion, and integrity, and all kinds of lovable and admirable qualities. They fool everyone from themselves to their families and business associates to their shrinks.

If anything, you deserve credit for responding honestly and generously to a community call. Don't let that spoil it for you.

I want to know how much she ripped DUers off for and find a way to restore that amount. That's probably impossible because she probably never posted a real total. Is that true?

how "poor" they were, and how they needed more & more money to save our Democracy.

I could, of course, see the truth in that, since I've done a lot of traveling myself -- it isn't free! And she would always report all the grand, magnificent things they were going to do once they got to a given destination, and how much they needed $$ for lawyers.

There never has been, and I promise you, there never will be an accounting of the DU funds raised on her behalf. Nor have all of the AWESOME DU researchers ever been given full credit for all of the research done for the BBV book that she screwed David Allen over, either. As you remember, there were huge DU threads where research was done, getting to the bottom of the voting machine racket.

Our exceptional DUers provided endless money and research, and got screwed.

There's going to be some heavy-duty karma coming around for that woman one of these days. Or maybe the nightmare that lives in her head is payback enough.

:hug: Thank you for your kind words, sfexpat2000. And your activism on the election issues wins you my deepest respect. :hug:

It's a tough, uphill battle we're fighting. But in the end, we WILL prevail: people will understand how Democracy has been stolen!! I only hope it's not entirely too late when we do finally prevail. I want the perpetrators to be frog-marched for all to see, so the lesson will not be forgotten.

:kick::kick::kick:

Joyce McCloy, who is the patron saint of our new law in NC.

She got the toughest law in the country passed and didn't ask for a dime. She got us all to donate time and fight the Forces of Darkness™. She spent as much time as possible shoving other folk in front of cameras and stayed in the background.

The research done by DUers did help a lot, so despite Bev, we have accomplished much.

Thank you, Joyce. We are in your debt and will be.

It is a tough, crucial battle. And we WILL prevail.

As for frogmarch, I'd settle for vaporizing.

:evilgrin:

:hug:

...to be bad. At the time I was spreading around my small donations to as many orgs as I could; my personal goal being to fund orgs that would piss off George W. Bush in the unlikely event he ever knew. :eyes:

I heard about her on DU, where I learned about BBV in the first place, and as far as I could tell from the discussions here AT THE TIME, she was okay.

We all learned differently, to our disgust and sadness, and some people (like Andy) were really savaged. Now it's up to DUers to make sure everyone knows what the good alternative routes to voting activism are.

Hekate

posted in error

She could also just be a self-serving opportunist that saw an opportunity to fleece a few thousand folks after last election. Another poster had it right when they wrote that it is tragic that such an important issue has Bev as a player.

I agree that this should be voted up so the next whistleblower will understand how she does business.

Never ascribe to treachery that which can be explained by stupidity or greed.

You give the opposition too much credit.

That she sold out to Diebold, David.

Note....since the settlement, she's gone after anyone who could hold Diebold's feet to the fire AND ES&S and Sequoia are her new targets.

No, I think there's plenty of valid evidence that she's doing exactly what some think - making PROOF of machine manipulation impossible to prove.

She's certainly done everything in her power to keep it all out of the press, hasn't she? Seriously, what person in their right mind would piss off Keith Olbermann when they were supposedly begging for press coverage of their issue?

according to Bev I'm the one depositing all those big checks from Diebold.

Though since I wrote the provision of the NC law that resulted in Diebold leaving the state, they may be asking for a refund. <g>

Yes, I am bragging, but goddamn it, I'm proud of that one.

"§ 163‑165.9A. Voting systems: requirements for voting systems vendors; penalties.

The documentation shall include a list of programmers responsible for creating the software and a sworn affidavit that the source code includes all relevant program statements in low‑level and high‑level languages.

Penalties. – Willful violation of any of the duties in subsection (a) of this section is a Class G felony. Substitution of source code into an operating voting system without notification as provided by subdivision (a)(2) of this section is a Class I felony. In addition to any other applicable penalties, violations of this section are subject to a civil penalty to be assessed by the State Board of Elections in its discretion in an amount of up to one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) per violation. A civil penalty assessed under this section shall be subject to the provisions of G.S. 163‑278.34(e)."

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

I know getting that one little paragraph into your state's legal code came at great cost to you both emotionally and financially. You deserve to bask in the glow of your accomplishment!

:yourock:

And the grifter's bots have appropriated some of our most ardent activists.

That really scares me.

or just claiming to be?

I can try to find out.

but sometimes it was fun. Lawyers HATE it when you don't grovel and you ask rude, rude questions.

It ain't over, though. The SBoE still has to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing.

I'm proud of NC just for having that!

worship.

He and his group JUST GOT IT DONE.

Compare and contrast.

CARES about something more than his own bank account!

:silly:

:)

:wtf:

when we are figuring out which bills to pay is that we'll pay a particular bill with my ill-gotten Diebold gains. I just can't find the briefcase full of Benjamins.

That's where B*sh looks for Saddams WMDs, and they never existed either,
so by repub logic: The money is under the chair! Duh.

Oh, BTW, I did a new graphic today you might appreciate:

That is funny!

I think I may have figured out where the money went.

The cat just got back from Tahiti.

:toast:

like her or not... you can say she's screwed people over... but BBV has done a ton of investigative work that has revealed the problems with the e-voting machines to the public. there is no way in hell that Bush would plant that.

Just ask Ion Sancho if Bev is a plant. it's ridiculous. he found out about the 16,000 Gore votes that were subtracted in 2000 from the BBV website. It was BBV who brought Harri Hursti to Florida to test the memory cards. And virtually everything you've seen in the last 3 months - including a lawsuit against the CA secretary of state for certifying illegal voting machines - all came about because of that.

plants *by name and appearance* do good things, but in actuality, do nothing or do bad things. Plants do not actually reveal and uncover evidence that supports the other side.

anyone who thinks Bev is a plant just seriously does not understand what is going on.

there are those who will continue to beat this dead horse. whatever. personally, I've got more important things to do, like fight against electronic voting fraud.

still expose people who are harming the movement by their actions.

I see no evidence that would lead me to publicly state Bev is a "plant". I think that this accusation let's Bev off way too easy. I could accept (not condone) her actions more if she were, but she's not.

She acts the way she does out of spite and/or mental illness.

That said, she burned her source. Whether she was the person who originally supplied Heller's name to the cops, or whether she just helped them by confirming his actions (which she admits to doing in the newspaper story), she betrayed a person who risked his freedom for the truth.

This is unethical and it is wrong. He may go to jail while Bev has financially benefitted from the information he provided.

Please refrain from the "she's given the money to BBV" explanation. We have only her word and NO SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. Can you explain why she has yet to file her required tax reports?

Other insiders who may have useful information will now be VERY reluctant to share it, since they now know that Bev will tell the cops.

What did she hope to gain by doing this?

Quite the public servant, that grifter.

I wonder what she did with Andy's computer?

A grifter. When will this evil person go away? Hasn't she done enough damage already? :shrug:

Aren't you happy you are you?

I can barely think about her without getting chest pains. But, if I had to be that, well, that would be horrible.

After her little f#@$ing game she played with Mr. Andy, may he rest, she belongs in the same boat with the repugs. When I saw this thread it was deja vu all over again.

She had an open Qui Tam lawsuit under investigation.

See the note in the documents she turned over:

2. Qui Tam Action Under the California False Claims Act
A. Factual Development During Seal Period ²
I. Alternate A: Low level development of facts relevant to potential
defenses ( e.g., public disclosure, government knowledge defense, and prior governmental audit) limited to facts
developed during effort associated with item I: $10,000/month
2. Alternate B: Proactive development of potential defenses, explanations, mitigating circumstances and strategies:
$30,000/month

² If the seal is lifted and the complaint served, this will need to be actively defended.

I was still avoiding those threads when everybody started waking up.

But not all from DUers, of course.

I was too new to catch it while it was happening.

So it is impossible to say what came from where.

And since there is never going to be any proper accounting...

If you think of a fair way to deal, lemme know.

I want that grifter outta our hair, so we can focus on real stuff. Like Guy being back on the air. Like the law suits in CA against our Thug SOS. Like what happened in IL and TX last night with the voting machines.

I want to perform a grifterectomy.

:)

I remember the day well -- thinking Bev sounded kind of *off*, but I trusted Randi, so...

:banghead:

or go to jail to protect her source.

What about the next time a Stephen Heller comes along? Who will s/he trust?

you'd scout for. Good point.

There was obviously going to be a BBV type org popping up somewhere. Why not give her enough info. etc. to get some attention then have her schiz-out and act like a buffon--both controlling and hobbling the whole enchilada. Tin foily, sure, but a smart move on their parts...

It fits with that whole economic hitman model.

But, she's too out of control, from the stories I've heard or had walk on roles in. You need a degree of predictability. No doubt that grifter is smart enough but she has an ego that needs constant attention and she goes out of control frequently. The one time I called her, she started screaming, literally screaming, before I finished my greeting.

but she has made our job harder.

She and the Right aren't that smart. Besides, I and many other's dealt with her and we can tell you it is borderline personality disorder, greed and a pathetic craving for attention.

Our two bucks put together add up.

What do you think?

of probably pissing off Bev in the process.

Good idea, sfxpat2000 :thumbsup:

we ARE and DO.

That always pisses off people like that grifter.

Thinking of Bev always pisses me off. That and the the rueful memory of my enthusiastic donations, but as the man said; "I'd rather be a chump than a cheat!"

to raise the money. Or, don't.

:hug:

They want to see if they can get a pro bono lawyer first.

There is a fund. If I get permission, maybe we can add to it.

I sent a donation. I just googled Stephen Heller, and found his website.
I asked if they needed other sorts of help, having the public watch his ehairng, for example, and his wife wrote back that all theyw ant at this moment is donations for his lawyers.

Robin

So, I will have to make a donation.

You message is duly noted. If Skinner gives me permission to post a fundraising thread, may I PM you?

:hi:

and I'm in :)

Put me down for $25.

Thanks so much!

:loveya:

If I had a dollar for every time she posted some big drama-filled thing about how the FBI was skulking around in her garbage or how she had just received some big explosive scoop from someone who couldn't come forward just now but would blow it all wide open any day now, I'd be happy. As it is, all I or anyone else has is aggravation.

Election reform will always be outside the mainstream because the mainstream finds the prospect of rigged elections too terrifying to contemplate. There are a lot of different routes through which people find their way outside the mainstream, and one of them is unfortunately by being batshit crazy. It's unfortunate that Bev was able to pretend to be sane long enough to get her face and name associated with the cause, but I don't think she was a Republican plant. It always seemed to me like she really believed the crap she was slinging, at the time. Plenty of people believe their own lies. It's one of the reasons human history is fucked up.

Anyway, I hope this poor guy will be all right regardless.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

enlisting DU, then sitting at FR, and sucking up to them, up to and including smearing Andy?

She must have one hell of an elastic belief system. By which I mean, you're being generous to her, PA.

Which is something I strive for but in this situation, I can't be. It's unambiguous to me.

by assuming that Bev always does whatever will feed her craving for attention and hero-worship. Which means she hung out at DU being a hero until people got wise, and then she went over to FR because they would make a hero out of her for being a 'reformed' DUer and gleefully collude with her persecution fantasies about how the DU admins were out to get her. As for smearing Andy, well, he wasn't batshit crazy, so no doubt they had plenty of conflict at work, and she went after him because either she had to be a batshit crazy confabulating maniac or he did, and of course it couldn't be her, could it?

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

He told the truth. About Bev Harris.

and had to be discredited.

But from BH's point of view, it's always about the batshit crazy bullshit reason you come up with to prevent yourself from understanding that it's you who's batshit crazy and not the entire rest of the planet.

It's sad, really,

The Plaid Adder

She delayed his care for weeks.

That's not only sad.

And she couldn't stand him getting the attention he drew.

Peace.

and are willing to go on record to make their case stronger -- speaking as a journalist who has dealt with many whistleblowers.

were his wishes. Only that grifter's action.

So, no. That didn't happen.

about sources, we discussed at length keeping them secret. I can't speak to this situation, but there is no way I would reveal my source, nor allow them to reveal their name without stiff legal cover.

he would have.

He didn't.

That grifter did.

Period.

What would he need Bev Harris for if he wasn't worried about being outed?

2) You surround yourself with a very few people you trust.

Looks like he went for Door Number Two.

he went to Bev I assume because she is known to be an advocate. granted, he may have given her permission to go to the press, but it does not appear that she was given permission to discuss how she got the information because it woudld be a felony and also, because the source would have gone on the record. no, this appears very bad to me.

and even SHE isn't saying that.

Bev and I discussed sources. We discussed the need to protect them. We discussed our standing vis-a-vis shield laws (Bev thought we were protected, I thought not. I certainly wasn't since I was not working for ANY news organization, though Scoop ran some of my findings).

Bev was sure she was protected, I was prepared to go to jail rather than reveal any source (I don't mean this to sound melodramatic. My wife and I had this conversation when Diebold started threatening to sue/prosecute everyone in sight and it looked pretty certain they would come after me, as I was the one now running Bev sight and was involved in the Diebold emails. I was also threatened by Sequoia when I dug up some of their files from an unprotected site).

Bev thought she was protected because she was "a reporter". I didn't think so, but couldn't convince her.

But I can tell you, we did discuss protecting sources and we did discuss that we needed to keep people's names secret unless they had a lawyer who told them we could use their name.

I also went to the effort and expense of having a l;awyer draw up non-disclosure agreements to legally bind anyone we had to work with from revealing anything we discovered. I gave them to Bev, and she never used them

Now, I don't need any convincing by anyone on here that Bev Harris is a despicable person, but I have yet to see proof that what Bev said to police in any way aided to the incrimination of Heller. He may have been busted before Bev said anything, and Bev was just filling the authorities in on the details.

I will be the first to admit that I am not following this case closely, either, so if there is evidence that Bev is the reason for Heller's legal troubles, please let me know. Otherwise, this looks like pure speculation right now. Although it wouldn't surprise me if this turned out to be true, I am in no position to jump to conclusions without any proof. That would be a Bev Harris move.

My sources tell me that Heller gave the docs to Bev. Bev shared them with Jim March and they gave them to the SoS and the press ALONG WITH THE NAME OF THEIR SOURCE. When the police showed up, Bev sang like a canary and confirmed/named the source (the article I quote says that).



Can I state unequivocally that Bev was the original source? No, but she cooperated with the police to burn her source, and that is on the record.

some people will beat a dead horse until they bloody themselves...

Pat A Vesely, I mean Steve A Play, will be right along to answer your question.

:)

is that crickets I hear?

selfish, arrogant, deceitful, mentally impaired melodramatic pig with no respect for anybody.

Fuck Bev, and God Bless Andy.

Hello, Bev!

am computer illiterate, and tended to stay off the BBV threads except for reading.

However, I do have opinions on people's characters....and what I know of yours is pretty damned bad.

I just want to tell you that it seems you aren't that old, and that you still have time to beg forgiveness from everyone that you have screwed, and return money that isn't rightfully yours.

Anyway, I've always wanted to tell you that.

Good luck on your path in life....I sure hope that you put some effort into being a better person. It's been my experience that people that are middle aged rarely change---but, hey...there's always hope.

Stephanie

:hi:

life any---

I have a real "Lee Atwater" phobia, btw. I worry about people I unintentionally screw, and how my actions affect others.

Man, this is really off topic here, isn't it....

Oh well....like I wrote, maybe she'll read it.

Steph

And you sound like you have Anti-grifter issues. I have them too. lol

:)

No, I am a religion major, and (need to be studying and working on 3 papers) trying to get into Divinity school next year.

I just spent an hour and a half with a Tibetan Monk this afternoon, and I have been thinking about Karma, rebirth, and eternity issues since 3:00PM.

It's something I put thought into everyday, and am particularly concerned with right now, because I am having a crisis of faith.

Well...was that way the hell more information than you wanted or what??? ;)

I think I better go pour a cocktail and concentrate on both Latin, and Hopi philosophy-- and leave the BBV stuff to people who are wayyyy smarter than me.

(and you know who you are...and I need to call you! Wild week--but, I want to hear about college stuff!)

Steph

grift
One entry found for grift.
Main Entry: grift
Pronunciation: 'grift
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: grift, n., perhaps alteration of graft
slang : to obtain (money) illicitly (as in a confidence game)
- grift noun, slang
- grift·er noun, slang

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