ABC story - Iraqi ties to al Qaeda

Received email from repuke friend who says this proves Bush was right, and Iraq was a major supporter of terrorism against the US. Do these people ever give up?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/print?id=1734490

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Several countries had major operational ties to al Qaeda, but Iraq was not one of them.

Saudi Arabia for example.

Oh, and by the way there is a tombstone being made for your ass right now.

Why are YOU here?

Enjoy your brief stay. :hi:

Why is the right so fucking hypocritical, boneheaded and stupid?

Why does the right believe such bullshit.

That was fast.

:applause: Mods

his secular government.

This article goes on to say:

It also indicates the discussions were substantive, in particular that bin Laden was proposing an operational relationship, and that the Iraqis were, at a minimum, interested in exploring a potential relationship and prepared to show good faith by broadcasting the speeches of al Ouda, the radical cleric who was also a bin Laden mentor.

The document does not establish that the two parties did in fact enter into an operational relationship. Given that the document claims bin Laden was proposing to the Iraqis that they conduct "joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia, it is worth noting that eight months after the meeting -- on November 13, 1995 -- terrorists attacked Saudi National Guard Headquarters in Riyadh, killing 5 U.S. military advisers. The militants later confessed on Saudi TV to having been trained by Osama bin Laden.)


At that time Osama was more interested in Saudi Arabia. It wasn't until later that he turned his sights on the US, and that was because we had a military presence on what Osama considered holy ground. Osama would have loved to have a foothold in a country bordering SA, but Saddam was too much of a control freak to let him in. Saddam distrusted radical muslims. His distrust was well founded because a short time later Osama called for the ouster of Saddam.

You need to Read "Imperial Hubris." I am a former counter insurgency specialist who worked that part of the world. I can vouch for his observations on the religion/culture and sensibilities of the people of that region. The writer is not a lefty, he's right of center and quite hawkish.

Let me go over two points. Osama wanted the US Military out of Saudi Arabia. Bush took them out.
Osama wanted Saddam overthrown and the installation of a fundie Muslim government. Bush did it.

Extra Credit:

One last thing. Osama wanted the US tied down in a costly war on his turf. Attacking us on 9-11 was to goad us into attacking. Bush did exactly what Osama wanted and went one further by invading Iraq.


I lied- one last thing:

Bush's war has upset the uneasy balance between the more secular Sunnis of that region and the Shiite radicals. The struggle between Shiite and Sunni is long running, with the Sunni holding the upper hand. By putting Shiites in power in Iraq, it could put the more moderate Sunni governments at risk.

I just picked up "Imperial Hubris", so I'll be sure to try to catch what you are referring here to.

Question: From your post, you are pointing out that Bush has actually acquiesced to many of Osama's demands/desires.

Are you implying that this is purposeful on Bush's part, or coincidental?

The reason I ask is that I recently read "Rise of the Vulcans" by James Mann and in the chapter covering the Gulf War, the author writes about which various administration personalities wanted what goals from the Gulf War. It covers Powell's point of view, Wolfowitz's, Cheney's (who said Saudi Arabia won't like it if we take down Saddam, for example), Bush Sr., etc. And it discusses all the reasons the administration then didn't want to march on into Baghdad. Much of that reason focused on a desire to keep Saddam in power as a buffer to/against Iran.

This got me thinking that, this time in Iraq, having already entered Afghanistan, they were dead set on tearing down this buffer, and inviting all the chaos. To what end? What is the plan?

Just curious if you have any thoughts on this. Thanks.

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Someone might think you pulled that 'note' right outta your @ss.

with Bin Laden and Hussein it a known fact they hated one another.

:crazy:

If anyone has a link, please post it.

Why is everyone so down on any dissenting opinion. I've been lurking here for awhile. I do think that if we truly want to know the truth then these documents need a thorough review

...from what I read some of this info came from hand written notes and the sources are questionable at best.

and anyway...Bush has admitted that there were no ties. Is he now going to go back and say there were?

And from a 3rd world country I'm not so sure that you can expect much more. We've already seen docs forged here that many accepted without batting an eye.

I believe that finding the truth is more important than having bragging rights.

I've been to the doces site and the stuff is pretty incriminating if you ask me.

and anyway, dictators don't usually like anyone else to have any power in their country. There is no way Saddam would have let al queda in.

trust me

You registered here yesterday. Click on your any profile, and you'll see that it tells how long the person has been here.

I want to see if he/she responds to my points above.

Thank you for enlightening me.

And, in this, the BushCO/neoconster world, you have to work very damned hard to keep ahead of all the smoke and mirrors and bullshit planted every goshdamn day by these Machiavellian global dictators.

Lurk a bit longer and maybe you, too, will be able to shift facts from bullshit and find "truth".

btw Welcome to DU. :hi:

Saddam was a Dictator!!! He did not allow anything that would take away from Saddam. If you worshiped too much under Saddam, he would put you in jail.. He did not want religious fanatics that could overtake his Government, nor did he want Osama recruiting terrorist who would only listen to Osama.... Get it, NO RULE EXCEPT SADDAM'S RULE......

Why is this so hard to understand?

...is an old Arab adage. Saddam allied himself with religious zealots when it was in his interest. I'm just curious how we can as a group close our eyes to a mountain of documents from the Ba'athist regime and call ourselves openminded. I'm not afraid to see where the truth lies...whatever that truth might be.

If it turns out the war was justified I will eat my share of crow rather than keep the truth away.

And yes I have lurked here without registering.

he would not let it happen in Iraq.. He did not want these groups influencing his people and usurping his authority....

I don't know that and neither do you, how can you know the mind of a madman.

My point is why are people in such an uproar now that new evidence has been brought out. I don't know what all it says, but I know it deserves afair shake.

true is what it sounds like to me... Maybe you will get a fair shake on this subject somewhere else??? Saddam was dictator for 30 years, we do know some things about how he ran his country.

Seriously? It isn't like Bush & Co. did anything to keep al queda out of iraq once we invaded. In fact that seems to have been the plan all along.

They are there now...what are we going to do about it? Keep doing what we are doing? Yeah, that is going so well isn't it?

It matters to me cuz I have my only Son over there fighting... It really matters to me. It is personal with me.....

:hug:

He is coming home hopefully before Thanksgiving this year and getting married in March 2007...

the one to go into iraq and taking out saddam..so why do republicans and conservative refuse to read anything of contemporary history??

why are they so damn dumb??

why was osama kicked out of saudi arabia...because he was furious that * sr was going to go to war with iraq and not he himself ...osama the hero of Afghanistan!

osama hated saddam and visa versa..why is it so damn hard for the conservatives to "get it"...why are they so damn stupid????????

oh i know..silly me..they will make any excuse for their "cult" leader *

i hate their stupidity ..the conservs have cheered on this war of lies..and they continue to defend their liar in thief.. this bullshit they spew is beyond stupid now..they are complicit in an illegal war..they support a criminal in our white house who is killing our constitution and bill of rights..and is illegally spying on us..

i am convinced the only way these stupid asses would stop making excuses for their cult leader is to have 1 million cameras catch * screwing or getting a b.j. from a pink elephant on the front lawn of the white house..and even that is questionable..they didn't seem to mind a gay prostitute spending nights at the white house......in the presidential housing area..or spending two years in our press briefing room..asking bullshit questions..

these are sick sick people..and i for one am mad as hell and not taking anymore of their bullshit!

..i have no patients left for their fucking lies and cover up..or their damn stupidity

fly

.....thing we know the boy king's bunch will have Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq building the factories where it was made or possibly even inventing the crap. :wow:

I could actually buy that the reason they originally supported this war was that they were lied to and misled. But unless you have been living under a rock for the past year or so, and still support this illegal war, even after all the overwhelming evidence of lies, and deceit that has been presented by all the mainstream media outlets, and STILL hang on to, and proselytize, the pack of lies that were handed over by this whole criminal regime, well, it's just pathetic.

It shows that your pal has no more intelligence or credibility than the 6 year old that stands there with their fingers in their ears screaming "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU."

By the way,is your rebuke friend between the age of 18-30?

I've given him tons of links to read, but his mind is made up.

That's too bad. He may just feel so bad at being misled this whole time, that he just wants to really believe it to the point of ignoring facts. My business partner was like that, but he turned around and is against this whole war now though. Of course he's an older guy like we are, and has a son that is draft age, and doesn't like that it is looking more and more like they are going to re-implement it.

So don't give up on him yet...

<sigh>

You did see the Russian reply, yes?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1773123

Russia Accuses U.S. of Having 'Hidden Political Motives' for Releasing Report on Iraq Intel



And then there's this from the WaPo.com:

http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2006/03/spy_vs_spy_in_i.html

And we tried to sell them our ports.

But when Iraqi's met him once in 1995 in a meeting that went nowhere due to lack of trust, it's a reason for invasion?