Bush does not equal Hitler: The 17 Points

by Dr. Steve Jonas

In the United States a controversy rumbles with increasing intensity: are comparisons claiming that George Bush and Adolf Hitler have much in common valid? I would like to weigh in on the side that holds such comparisons indeed are not valid, for the following 17 reasons.

1. Bush had two Time covers, Hitler only one.

2. Hitler obtained an explicit Constitutional Amendment in the German Reichstag, the Enabling Act, to establish his dictatorial powers.

Bush is creating his dictatorial powers not by obtaining a Constitutional Amendment, which is rather more difficult to secure under the US Constitution than under the German Weimar Constitution of Hitler’s time. Rather, to start with he is using a creative reading of the US Constitution as to what the term “Commander-in-Chief” means. Then, he is broadly interpreting a particular (“use of force”) resolution of Congress -- one that has no language establishing a dictatorship and refers specifically to one foreign country, Afghanistan -- and an act of Congress, the USA “Patriot Act” that, itself, violates the Constitution by vitiating the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments. On March 23, 2006, for example, he noted upon signing the renewal of the Patriot Act, passed at his very strong behest, that he would not abide with all of its provisions for reporting by the Executive Branch to the Congress. Nevertheless, unlike Hitler Bush is proceeding one step at a time to establish his dictatorship rather than doing it at one swell foop.

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http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2006/03/bush-does-not-equal-hitler-17-points.html

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I thought the same thing.

Lazy posters!

It's such an interesting article. Thanks for the Kick! :hi:

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Thanks for posting!

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recently I posted an article on DU that exposed the Bush family's connections to the Hitler regime. They actually supported Hitler and propped him up...we're talking big stuff.

That's why history is repeating itself - these guys have knowledge of how to succeed in tyranny from the master himself, Hitler.

See http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

I think I remember that thread, or at least one like it. Prescott Bush had real dirty hands.

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Don't forget all the people locked up in Guantanamo Bay - many of them American citizens who have never been charged with any crime or allowed any attorney, in blatant disregard of all their Constitutional rights.

Even greater numbers of American citizens are locked up in our domestic prisons (what percentage of black men are incarcerated? Some horrific number) for crimes like selling dope. And the sadists who were unleashed in Abu Ghraib had been trained as prison guards in the U.S.

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At least we don't get any nonsense about Bush being a card-carrying Nazi because his grandfather lent money to the Third Reich.

I would like to point out that Hitler was principally a murderer, Bush is principally a thief. Hitler stole, but that was incidental to murdering his victims. Bush murders, but that is incidental to stealing from them. One should not expect Bush's body count, the most liberal estimates of which are about 100 thousand, to even approach the level of Hitler's final total of approximately 11 million.

On the other hand, Hitler's take consisted of the personal belongings and small amounts of private property of his victims; that is hardly the grand design of Bush and the neoconservatives, who covet the natural resources of entire nations.

On a personal level, Hitler was a self-made man. Bush was born to wealth and privilege and has had everything handed to him on a silver platter. Few if any of his achievements in life can truly said to have been earned.

Thanks for that. :hi:

I blame every death in Europe including in Russia, Yugoslavia, Greece, Poland, France, etc on him which comes to about 50 million.

The 11 million figure is the estimated number of non-combatants sytematically murdered. It includes six million European Jews who died in death camps, as well as Gypsies, Slavs, leftists, homosexuals and other who weren't Aryan enough.

--IMM

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You are SO right! :rofl: :loveya:

Hitler, he only had one ball
Goering, had two but very small
Himmler, had something sim'ler
But, Goebbels had no balls at all.

But Chimpy has no balls at all.

la la la la la la .......

And I've always loved your name. It puts me in that calm place. :hi:

I'm so close to my name that I forget to appreciate it! I get so angry at what is happening to our country. Thank you for reminding me! (Taking a deep cleansing breath.... ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmsweetommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm)

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Feel the inner peace. :hi:

:hi: and :hug:

I like that. :hi: :hug:

So glad you liked it! Getting back to work now with a big grin on my face!
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I am attempting my first Paella dish for dinner tonight. :scared:

that your paella came out yummy! (kick) :hi:

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with "not being as bad as Hitler". Even when making fair and logical comparisons to Nazi Germany, i.e. expansion of executive powers, no MSM source will even hint at a comparison, because to compare the Bush admin to even one segment of Hitler's govt., it is assumed (by wingnuts) that this means the USA is as evil as Nazi Germany's worst evil, the Holocaust.

Maybe that should be the GOP's (or DLC's?) slogan for the fall elections:

"America- not as bad as Nazi Germany"

Isn't just sickening that we would come to that? :shrug:

Still early days. Let us know how the paella comes out. Yummm.

The paella kicked ass!!! :-)

That's one of the biggest problems we face. The Republicans have managed to convince a certain segment of America that if they aren't shoveling American civilians into the smokestacks, everything they're doing must be a-okay.

Before that happens, no wait have you seen imprisonment rates of blacks and the poor! Wake up man it's happening. They call them criminals and no one ask too many questions.

if he applied himself. He's just lazy..."

Kicked & recommended.

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Fascist tendancies, supporting a small group of wealthy families while the standard of living for the rest of the country declines, imperial wars that bankrupt the country, international pariah, etc.

Dubya is destroying Amtrak.

If America was the country we thought it was, people would have woken up long before now. I guess better late than never applies. Yeesh!

That's a good companion piece. :hi:

I opened this thread with a feeling of ickiness, and was pleasantly surprised... well, maybe not pleasantly (after all, I was being stared at by Dubya and Hitler), but whatever...

I had to read it twice before deciding to post it. It certainly gave me an eerie feeling. :hi:

And I love you for that. :loveya: :hi:

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Scary stuff.

Chimp is...

Chimp is...NOT.

With a stormtrooper's boot.

Clooney says hi. :-)

Ummm...sore throat *cough*. Yeah that's it.

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2. is completely bogus, some others are borderline. Hitler's enabling act was not a amendment.

Could you provide me with a link? Thank you! :hi:

In 2. the enabling act is introduced as an amendment, which it was not. It was an enabling act, albeit one going far beyond what such acts were normally allowed to do. Enabling acts were quasi-constitutional (yes, there was more than one), but not additions to the constitution.

In 4. the word "clearly" is used, where little to nothing is actually clear.

10. classifies the "Gott mit uns" incorrectly as a religous reference, when it actually was an attempt to appear as being in the Prussian tradition.

and was personally brave. And could also write a major book which is still in print Significant differences.

but it's not fair to compare the two. Bush is far more dangerous. He has access to 1000 times worse WMDs.

Also, Hitler the mass-murderer at least had brains, and some artistic talent. Bush the mass-murderer has a pitiful, disgusting, vomit-inducing, small-as-ants brain. And absolutely NO artist talent, whatsoever.

Is both seem to have chosen their top officials from prisons or insane asylums (but again, a difference. It's only been proven in hitler's case).

"Bush... personally believes in U.S. Right-Wing Christian Fundamentalism. He believes “God”, as defined by this movement, is personally guiding him."

I don't buy it. It's more likely that his "faith" is just a show for the fundies. He's a liar. Whatever he says; believe the opposite.

concentration camp survivors (Treblinka and Dachau) I am very tired of the facile comparisons between Bush and Hitler. As bad as Bush is, his regime does not even approach--in evil or destruction--the regime that tattooed numbers on my parents wrists. These cheap comparisons belittle the Holocaust reality.

While nobody here is condoning Hitler, statements like "Hitler was personally brave" are completely divorced from any sense of magnitude, any sense of perspective, or any sensitivity for Hitler's victims.

Comparing Bush to Hitler completely minimizes Hitler's evils and obscures what is truly bad about the Bush administration.

As evil as Hitler undoubtedly was, he was IN FACT "personally brave".

FACT.

FACT doesn't mean we are "hitler-lovers" or "hitler supporters" or whatever.

It's just a FACT.

and that is simply an absurd statement.

Not in bodycount, that's for sure.

Not yet.

But imo it's damned important to note the similarities between the two -and there are many- to PREVENT another bodycount. If bush manages to get his "total war", the bodycount under bush WILL be far beyond Hitler's.

That's not to denigrate or shrug off the evil Hitler perpetuated, but if people refuse to look at what led up to Hitler's atrocities, refuse to see and discuss similiarities, we will be discussing "bush worse than Hitler" AFTER the horrendous bodycount.

Just IMO.

comparisons to Hitler. However, they are not Hitler clones. Bush is, at worst, a relatively minor league character in the chronicles of human evil. He does not even hold a candle to people like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Napoleon, King Leopold II of Belgium, many of the Renaissance Popes, etc. In terms of body count he probably won't even surpass some of our recent presidents such as Johnson and Nixon.

It's easy for people without a good perspective of history to claim that the person they are living under is "the worst" ever. However, that gives Bush too much credit. When you compare him to history's truly great villains he doesn't even show up. For example, King Leopold II of Belgium, a relatively unknown figure for most people, killed anywhere between 10 and 15 million people in the Belgian Congo working with one of the smallest countries on earth. That's a fairly impressive achievement in terms of raw evil. Bush wouldn't even rank in the top(or bottom depending on how you look at it) 30 worst dictators/leaders of the 20th century.

Now, this isn't to say that he isn't a really bad guy. He is a really bad individual. However, let us not minimize the much more villainous characters who have come before.

Kinda late by then.

Somehow comparing Bush to Hitler stops him from reaching Hitler's body count? Huh?

Bush isn't even in the realm of the worst US presidents in terms of body count yet. He has a long way to go. Comparing anyone who starts a war to Hitler belittles the 50 million who died in Europe during WWII at the hands of Hitler. Bush is responsible for, at most, 100,000 deaths. There is such a difference in order of magnitude that you can't use the comparison. Otherwise I could compare Lyndon Johnson to Hitler. Indeed I could compare any tinpot despot to Hitler, but it would be wrong to do so.

Otherwise we could compare virtually any run of the mill, tin pot despot to Hitler and the comparisons simply are not apt. Hitler brought unspeakable and unmatched evil to the world and to compare Bush to Hitler belittles the 50 million who died in WWII on the battlefield, in the camps, or in random executions and bombings.

If I knew the solution I would be a wealthy man. :shrug:

Hitler said about his revolution that it was the revolution in which 'not even one window was broken', and that fits very well with the current 'style' of takeover.

But the system and thinking behind the administration has much more in common with the former system in South-Africa, the apartheid regime. This system also commanded widespread support in the UK, and was the first people (behind the scenes) to recognize Reagan as a serious contender for the US presidency. Maybe they helped him win? In the late 70's, the SA regime was known for their notorious Department of Information, led by a gentleman called Eschel Rhoodie from 1974 to 1978. He visited Reagan already back in '68 and also the circle around Goldwater was courted (and paid for?) by Rhoodie.

Read his book 'The Real Information Scandal' from 1983, it contains very interesting information which never really surfaced in the MSM.

For anyone who does not know that the Bush and Walker families were very much involved in Adolph Hitler`s takeover of Germany begining in the 1920`s and on into about 1 year after our official entry into WWII. For a well documented account of this go to < http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm >.

Iraq was his second.
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Thanks to Depleted Uranium, Bush has condemned to death far, far more than Hitler ever killed (which of course was no small number).