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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:26 PM
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Anyone here with access to NYT Select Features? (Looking for Article)
I don't have access to NYT Select which is required to read Op Ed pieces ..

I'm looking for a piece that i think Paul Krugman wrote, which talks about the border/immigrant issue. Bernie Ward on KGO read a piece last night on the air which i believe he attributed to Krugman but I'm not absolutely positive about that.

I tuned in while the show was in progress and missed the opening of the piece but it sounded brilliant, and well timed because the article talked about the complexity of the immigration/border securtiy issues in a way that isn't being done in the msm, and addressed "both sides" of the issue, articulating how both have merit and must be respected..

I wanted to find that article but i have scoured the internet, the forums on DU but unable to locate anything with Krugman's name associated with it, or even a heading that matches the content. (unless i missed it)

Any help here would be super righteous.. :hi:


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PVK Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:29 PM
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1. Here
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 07:31 PM by PVK
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:35 PM
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2. great article, but that doesn't address the border issue and that was last
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 07:36 PM by radio4progressives
summer...

the piece in mind would have been written this past week, on the border illegal immigration issue.

But thanks just the same! :hi:
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PVK Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:45 PM
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3. Here is the article.
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 07:46 PM by PVK
http://groups.google.com/group/Chicagoland-LGBT-Immigrants/browse_thread/thread/7ed4572bafe86b35/42d76b9a5422f195%2342d76b9a5422f195

{NOTE: I didn't cut and paste this article...it was cut and pasted at the link above.)

March 27, 2006
Op-Ed Columnist
North of the Border By PAUL KRUGMAN
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," wrote Emma Lazarus, in a poem that still puts a lump in my throat. I'm proud of America's immigrant history, and grateful that the door was open when my grandparents fled Russia.
In other words, I'm instinctively, emotionally pro-immigration. But a review of serious, nonpartisan research reveals some uncomfortable facts about the economics of modern immigration, and immigration from Mexico in particular. If people like me are going to respond effectively to anti-immigrant demagogues, we have to acknowledge those facts.
First, the net benefits to the U.S. economy from immigration, aside from the large gains to the immigrants themselves, are small. Realistic estimates suggest that immigration since 1980 has raised the total income of native-born Americans by no more than a fraction of 1 percent.
Second, while immigration may have raised overall income slightly, many of the worst-off native-born Americans are hurt by immigration — especially immigration from Mexico. Because Mexican immigrants have much less education than the average U.S. worker, they increase the supply of less-skilled labor, driving down the wages of the worst-paid Americans. The most authoritative recent study of this effect, by George Borjas and Lawrence Katz of Harvard, estimates that U.S. high school dropouts would earn as much as 8 percent more if it weren't for Mexican immigration.
That's why it's intellectually dishonest to say, as President Bush does, that immigrants do "jobs that Americans will not do." The willingness of Americans to do a job depends on how much that job pays — and the reason some jobs pay too little to attract native-born Americans is competition from poorly paid immigrants.
Finally, modern America is a welfare state, even if our social safety net has more holes in it than it should — and low-skill immigrants threaten to unravel that safety net.
Basic decency requires that we provide immigrants, once they're here, with essential health care, education for their children, and more. As the Swiss writer Max Frisch wrote about his own country's experience with immigration, "We wanted a labor force, but human beings came." Unfortunately, low-skill immigrants don't pay enough taxes to cover the cost of the benefits they receive.
Worse yet, immigration penalizes governments that act humanely. Immigrants are a much more serious fiscal problem in California than in Texas, which treats the poor and unlucky harshly, regardless of where they were born.
We shouldn't exaggerate these problems. Mexican immigration, says the Borjas-Katz study, has played only a "modest role" in growing U.S. inequality. And the political threat that low-skill immigration poses to the welfare state is more serious than the fiscal threat: the disastrous Medicare drug bill alone does far more to undermine the finances of our social insurance system than the whole burden of dealing with illegal immigrants.
But modest problems are still real problems, and immigration is becoming a major political issue. What are we going to do about it?
Realistically, we'll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants. Mainly that means better controls on illegal immigration. But the harsh anti-immigration legislation passed by the House, which has led to huge protests — legislation that would, among other things, make it a criminal act to provide an illegal immigrant with medical care — is simply immoral.
Meanwhile, Mr. Bush's plan for a "guest worker" program is clearly designed by and for corporate interests, who'd love to have a low-wage work force that couldn't vote. Not only is it deeply un-American; it does nothing to reduce the adverse effect of immigration on wages. And because guest workers would face the prospect of deportation after a few years, they would have no incentive to become integrated into our society.
What about a guest-worker program that includes a clearer route to citizenship? I'd still be careful. Whatever the bill's intentions, it could all too easily end up having the same effect as the Bush plan in practice — that is, it could create a permanent underclass of disenfranchised workers.
We need to do something about immigration, and soon. But I'd rather see Congress fail to agree on anything this year than have it rush into ill-considered legislation that betrays our moral and democratic principles.

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:46 PM
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4. Is this it?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032706O.shtml

Paul Krugman
North of the Border
The New York Times
Monday 27 March 2006
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:10 PM
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8. Oh Cool, it's posted at TruthOut.., that's good to know..
this piece needs to be referenced and distributed widely for review in the midst of discussion of the issues of concern.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:46 PM
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5. get an account with them if you like their content...
sorry to sound abrupt but...
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:10 PM
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9. I would if i could, but i can't so i won't..
obviously...
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Unleash_the_Backlash Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:47 PM
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6. Could this be it?
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 07:48 PM by Unleash_the_Backlash
I'm sure this violates my NYT Select agreement (which I do at every opportunity!!). Oops - sorry for the cross post.

March 27, 2006
Op-Ed Columnist
North of the Border

By PAUL KRUGMAN

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," wrote Emma Lazarus, in a poem that still puts a lump in my throat. I'm proud of America's immigrant history, and grateful that the door was open when my grandparents fled Russia.

In other words, I'm instinctively, emotionally pro-immigration. But a review of serious, nonpartisan research reveals some uncomfortable facts about the economics of modern immigration, and immigration from Mexico in particular. If people like me are going to respond effectively to anti-immigrant demagogues, we have to acknowledge those facts.

First, the net benefits to the U.S. economy from immigration, aside from the large gains to the immigrants themselves, are small. Realistic estimates suggest that immigration since 1980 has raised the total income of native-born Americans by no more than a fraction of 1 percent.

Second, while immigration may have raised overall income slightly, many of the worst-off native-born Americans are hurt by immigration — especially immigration from Mexico. Because Mexican immigrants have much less education than the average U.S. worker, they increase the supply of less-skilled labor, driving down the wages of the worst-paid Americans. The most authoritative recent study of this effect, by George Borjas and Lawrence Katz of Harvard, estimates that U.S. high school dropouts would earn as much as 8 percent more if it weren't for Mexican immigration.

That's why it's intellectually dishonest to say, as President Bush does, that immigrants do "jobs that Americans will not do." The willingness of Americans to do a job depends on how much that job pays — and the reason some jobs pay too little to attract native-born Americans is competition from poorly paid immigrants.

Finally, modern America is a welfare state, even if our social safety net has more holes in it than it should — and low-skill immigrants threaten to unravel that safety net.

Basic decency requires that we provide immigrants, once they're here, with essential health care, education for their children, and more. As the Swiss writer Max Frisch wrote about his own country's experience with immigration, "We wanted a labor force, but human beings came." Unfortunately, low-skill immigrants don't pay enough taxes to cover the cost of the benefits they receive.

Worse yet, immigration penalizes governments that act humanely. Immigrants are a much more serious fiscal problem in California than in Texas, which treats the poor and unlucky harshly, regardless of where they were born.

We shouldn't exaggerate these problems. Mexican immigration, says the Borjas-Katz study, has played only a "modest role" in growing U.S. inequality. And the political threat that low-skill immigration poses to the welfare state is more serious than the fiscal threat: the disastrous Medicare drug bill alone does far more to undermine the finances of our social insurance system than the whole burden of dealing with illegal immigrants.

But modest problems are still real problems, and immigration is becoming a major political issue. What are we going to do about it?

Realistically, we'll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants. Mainly that means better controls on illegal immigration. But the harsh anti-immigration legislation passed by the House, which has led to huge protests — legislation that would, among other things, make it a criminal act to provide an illegal immigrant with medical care — is simply immoral.

Meanwhile, Mr. Bush's plan for a "guest worker" program is clearly designed by and for corporate interests, who'd love to have a low-wage work force that couldn't vote. Not only is it deeply un-American; it does nothing to reduce the adverse effect of immigration on wages. And because guest workers would face the prospect of deportation after a few years, they would have no incentive to become integrated into our society.

What about a guest-worker program that includes a clearer route to citizenship? I'd still be careful. Whatever the bill's intentions, it could all too easily end up having the same effect as the Bush plan in practice — that is, it could create a permanent underclass of disenfranchised workers.

We need to do something about immigration, and soon. But I'd rather see Congress fail to agree on anything this year than have it rush into ill-considered legislation that betrays our moral and democratic principles.

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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:08 PM
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7. Yes! This is the piece.. THANK YOU!
Ok.. now I've read it from the start..

It's a fair piece, and I'd like to see the discussion on DU take this tone and this balance of the issues at question.

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:12 PM
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10. Unleash_the_Backlash please read
In the future please limit your snips of articles to 4
paragraphs as per the Democratic Underground copyright '
rules .

proud patriot Moderator
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:04 AM
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11. *
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 09:05 AM by newyawker99

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