Rep. Clay to Bush: "...why haven't your girls enlisted?"

http://explorefortruth.blogspot.com/2006/03/no-he-didnt.html

No, he didn't...?

Yes, he did! (reportedly)

Rep. William Lacy Clay Jr. of Missouri. He called for the removal of our troops from Iraq. That is not all he said.

"President Bush took this country to war by choice, not because we had to fight but because he wanted a fight," Clay said, according to a text of the speech he gave Monday at St. Louis Community College at Meramec in Kirkwood.

"I have a question for President Bush," said Clay, who voted against the resolution authorizing Bush to go to war in Iraq. "If you really believe that the war that you started in Iraq is a fight to defeat terrorism and to defend our freedoms, why haven't your girls enlisted?"

Magellan @ 7:25 PM

love his style! :thumbsup:

So bush??? Your reply???

Abdah Abdah Abdah Abdah.

:rofl:

"they're fighting the war of ideas here at home". :eyes: Or, in Limbaugh's case, ass herpes. I wonder which one it is? :shrug:

We all know Repiglicans START wars, they don't FIGHT wars. Hey, someone has to do it and the poor need jobs, right? :mad:

Yet another Bush tardspawn.

after I stopped laughing my butt off - I thought now that is one messed up gene pool - I wish these freaks would stop breeding....

I thought I had heard all the "tard" derivatives. That one takes it!!! Could also be "you sonufatard!!!" :thumbsup:

Kudos! One of the best ones that I've heard!

Peace.

God that's awful. He does seem like he would be more suited to the porno biz than politics though.

Pierce is her last name...and seems this genetic mutation factory likes to recycle last names around...or else I'll bet Neil woulda gotten cut out of the family business.

Cheers...

The Walker family is where the big money came from. The Bushes were the animated, up-front, frat-boys that took that money and used it for political gain.

is actually descended from the Percy's of Northumberland. I know because so is my husband's family, we are also Pierce's. Bab's is a cousin removed x-amount of times. We're both related to President Franklin Pierce. One of the most famous Percy's was nicknamed "Hotspur". He had one hell of a temper, and was a rather bloody man. They were Earls of Northumberland. In fact, the family castle is called Alnwick, it's the same castle that Harry Potter was filmed at. Technically though, the male line of Percys actually died out, and the name carried through on a female descendant who had her husband take her name so that the name would continue.

I guess that's enough of the history lesson, I have over the past couple of years done quite a bit of research on the paternal line of my husband's family. I wish I had the info with me (I'm at work right now) but if anyone is interested in learning more, you can pm me, or most of the info is on line.

I believe even back to Mary, wife of Henry VIII. At least that's what Kevin Phillips wrote in American Dynasty.

I have traced my husband's even further than that. I have about 32 generations back. I wish I had the info with me though, I could give you specifics.

Couple Katherines, couple Annes, one Jane. No Mary.

:)

one of the devil's spawn after HER side of the family. Does sound like a porn name though. I would love to see Pvt. Pierce Bush on the front line of Iraq posthaste, since he is so sure Uncle Chucklenuts is right.

Kind of like the reaction you get from a guy when you tell him a story about someone else's penis getting caught in the zipper.

I took one look at His Dorkness and knew he'd get his spoiled lil' white ass kicked but good in boot camp. Then he'd have to send Gramma Babs to go beat them up.

All it turned up was nasty pictures of Gramma.

he is trying to convince all other Americans to send their children for his "worthwhile cause" Ah yay yay! What a mor-A-n.

and furthermore, asked why there had been
NO media coverage of the despicable duo
since the 2004 election...
The thread was deleted.
Hmmm?
BHN

now you have no choice but to run for office, since you are obviously way ahead of Clay in speaking the truth!

i'd vote for ya.
dp

:)

:loveya:
Thanks for the offer- I may take you up on it.
I am SO sick of the corruption, cover ups and LIES.
BHN

I'm in.

:hug:
/o man I'm losing Donne!

What Would Andy DO?
Recall the Saints who have walked among us...
and follow in the path they have worn for us.
BHN

lol

peace
dp

I guess callouses are good for something.

my heart sings.
:pals: :hug:
Thanks for the vote.
BHN

:)

Yeah, I remember you. I hope you received all of my letters about what a terrible legislator you are.

Nice funny here, but you know what wasn't funny? Voting for the Child Abortion Notification Act, then saying you made that decision after choosing "to follow the leadership of your church on this issue." In addition to the fact that that's disgusting--your constituents are pro-choice. Almost all of them, in fact. My grandmother and two cousins among them. Yes, you're a comedian, alright. Oppressing women and justifying it as "just respecting good Christians" is sooooo hilarious.

I think I remember reading that someone asked Barbara Jr. why she didn't enlist and she said she had other priorities. Hmmm, holding down a job doesn't seem to be one of them.

Look, thousands of young Americans have lost their
lives and futures to the Bush Twin's daddy.
That is all you need to know.
The girls are VERY busy spending their
daddy's coin begotten by our son's and daughter's
blood, so just leave them alone!
Got it?
BHN

worrying about stuff like this?

People are getting bold as ever against Shrub

Zero, would be my guess!

without the draft, what power does President Bush, or anybody, have to force someone to enlist? Is he responsible for their decisions? More importantly, are they responsible for his?

Have they expressed public support of the war? I missed it if it was reported.

I'm not defending Chimpy. I just think that 1) the argument is irrelevant to the larger issue of the war, 2) the girls are grown and neither he, nor they, are responsible for the other's decisions, and it is wrong to try and tar them with their father's brush, and 3) I think that it is bad PR. I may be mistaken on the last point, however.

I think this is below the belt, I'm afraid.

"Why haven't *you* enlisted" is *arguably* a legitimate challenge (although I personally would argue it isn't), but dragging Bush's or anyone else's family into it just makes one look bad.

Thank you

Well, for today, that is. :D

Way to go, Rep. Clay.

waiver requirements. Maybe if we continue to lower the standards for enlistment, but with their alcohol abuse convictions, and documented police involvement, they would require, at a minimum, a waiver from the Area Recruiting Commander, and possibly, a waiver from the guy in charge of "all recruiting" activities. In the Navy, that would be the Commander, Navy Recruiting Command.

I'm speaking from experience. Most recruiters wouldn't waste their time. Too much paperwork involved in getting these waivers done.

Some "family values", eh? They've done such a good job raising their kids, even the Army doesn't want them.

And I'm not picking on the kids. They are the ones that want to throw "family values" in your face all the time.

company---KBR, anyone?

I am so happy that this man came out and asked this question. It is about time that someone has come out and ask this question. Bush should also be asked why no member of his family has enlisted or joined the military. George P. Bush could easily join any branch of the military as a JAG officer, so why is he(George P. Bush) not in the military. In addition, what are all the other Bush children doing. You hear nothing about if they are helping make America a better place, so they all could join.

that someone publicly asked this question.

big mouth is and send your kids to war!!!!!

Bush's America (or Grover Norquist's or whoever's) is not a democracy. The wealthy capitalists are the ruling elite. They reap the benefits of society and give the masses table scraps. The start the wars and send the children of the ghettos and barrios off to fight them while their children go Yale to prepare to perpetuate their wealth and hold on power.

That is why the son of George Bush, grandson of Prescott Bush, dodged the draft by ducking into a cushy National Guard unit and then only fulfilled his duty when it didn't conflict with more important things, like sex and drugs. That is why Dick Cheney as a student could join campus organizations that supported the war in Vietnam, but when it came to serving himself he had "other priorities".

"crime families" in the US..a bunch of thugs out for personal gain.
Unfortunately these robber barons are well on their way to returning us to the guilded age and I'm afraid that a real financial crisis will soon guarantee it's completion.

Can we distill whatever makes Clay such a badass and inject it into some other dems?

folk, congressmen and WH execs and staffers should send their kids to Iraq. It's DANGEROUS over there.

but I think there might actually be a more effective point to make.

I say this, in part, because most americans can understand girls not enlisting. Not to mention a lot of people are going to think there would be a lot of hassles for the military and secret service in handling this hypothetical enlistment.

So the more effective point that I think that could be made is this: None of the Bush family have ever volunteered to work at a USO or done the equivalent thereof.

I won't belabor the point, but many of us older DU types can remember seeing the countless popular culture examples of how the most beautiful stars of Hollywood used to volunteer their time during WWII. I'm only in my 40's but I've seen countless examples of that.

Those soldiers looked really grateful of those efforts.

I think people will get that point better: The Bush twins haven't danced a single dance or handed out a single donut for these troops.

I'd like to see a photo of one of those beautiful WWII era starlets doing her duty with the caption going something like "Are the twins too good for this?"

or the same image but in a split screen with the twins and the caption ...

"During a real war everyone pitches in. Even the famous and privileged."

I think that this could be effective and it's also fair. Bushco doesn't like to remind people of wars that involved pain and sacrifice.

military and one of Queen Elizabeth's son's fought in the Falklands.

ERRR DUH!

:evilgrin:

Asking girls to go fight for freedom doesn't really play well to the intended audience. But I would like to see nephew Pierce sign up and save us from, um, whoever is getting called a terrorist this week.

...In accordance with the old family tradition of course. Only no one's waiting anymore. Wonder why? Then he remembered that, given his troop deployment policy, it'd be a surefire one-way ticket to Iraq. No way, not his girls. Mission aborted!

DO Stand up. Congressman Hinchey and 30 others asked Fitzgerald to handle the Impeachment trial in the Congress over the Niger forgeries. There are Dems other than the DINOs Hillary and what's his name who supposedly ran as the Democratic challenger in 2004.

IMPORTANT DLC HACKETT-ED ANOTHER REAL DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/30/34714/7535\

=The DCCC works to defeat a Democrat
by cfinnie Thu Mar 30, 2006
That's right, on Tuesday, March 21, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the DCCC, won their first election--against another Democrat.

Washington knows best
They brought in the big guns. Hillary Clinton hosted a big-ticket fundraiser in New York. John Kerry sent out emails to raise more money. Barack Obama taped TV spots. By the end of the campaign, the Tammy Duckworth for Congress campaign had sent eleven different pieces of direct mail to voters in the 6th District in Illinois, covered the airwaves with commercials, and had spent close to $1,000,000....

Looks like the second progressive candidate to fail the Dem party 'sniff test'.

The Party is a lost cause
If they take your guy down, I would suggest he run as an Independent aka Jeffords and Sanders. The Dems need to be punished.

Until we can do that, they don't give a damn about us - the people. For 5 freakin years, the Dems have been afraid to have an opinion on anything. Now when illegals are about to blow the Pugs in half, here comes Teddy and the Dems supporting Bush's corporate welfare stance on the false pretence of supporting "civil rights". So instead of holding corporations accountable for all of their illegal hires, they are going to support amnesty. But Feingold says, hold Bush accountable - and they all run to the basement. Think about it.

The Dems are corporate owned just like the Pugs. If they take your guy down, he should run as an Independent. I think Cegelis should, too.

Patriot Party 08: Feingold, Murtha, Boxer, Harkin, Conyers, Kucinich, Sanders & Dean.

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one would think that one's own family would back the cause enough to do the same. It is a snipe about the urgency of the cause or lack there of among those who pushed for the war - not an argument to enlist others.

As bushco try to paint the Iraq war as on par with WWII (to try to deflect the Vietnam war comparisions) - they miss a big point. That war was broadly supported - millions enlisted willingly - including my father who left college to enlist. In that war, that they try to connect their current policies to, there was also wide public involvment and sacrifices to support the war effort; in this war we have been asked to sacrifice nothing, instead the most healed among us get tax breaks and get to pay less... leaving a larger and larger national debt that will have to be paid off in the future. I read Clay's words more from this point of view (in terms of point trying to be made) than from a "we want to try to get them to enlist."