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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:18 AM
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Fox News: "Could 9/11 Have Been Avoided If Moussaoui Was Tortured?"...
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"Could 9/11 have been avoided if Moussaoui was tortured?"

To his credit Oliver North, (who I have no love for) said torture doesn't work, but it's the subject that's distasteful. FOX knows exactly what this topic is supposed to illicit in their viewers minds regardless of what anyone says on the show.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/28.html#a7702
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:20 AM
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1. Of course not.
He didn't really know about it in advance, he is just claiming knowledge NOW to make a grand exit.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:21 AM
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2. couldn't we have gone a few hours this morning without a faux plug?
I mean really....its morning..I don't want to throw up my breakfast.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:21 AM
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3. Jesus H. Christ. They have no shame. 9/11 could have been avoided
if Bush/Cheney/Rice weren't ignoring the threats.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:22 AM
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4. We wouldn't listen to OUR OWN PEOPLE who tried to stop it...
So - it was up to a terrorist to protect America? What a cop out...

You have the right to remain silent...
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:25 AM
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5. No. But if Richard Clarke was tortured I'll bet the bloody Prezzydent
would have taken some iterest. Gotta keep those briefings entertaining.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:29 AM
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6. Shouldn't we FIRST look at his computer BEFORE we torture him?
Just askin...these bimbos are TRULY INSANE!
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:41 AM
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7. Yeah
maybe if the FBI higher-ups had accepted one of the SEVENTY requests to look at his laptop..
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:58 AM
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8. There was a good article on here a while back that
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 10:59 AM by WakingLife
demolished the extreme scenarios method for deciding that some radical action is justified. I'm not sure if the below link is the one, but it does a pretty good job of it.





Tortured logic
The 'ticking-bomb' scenario, as an argument for torture, is potent. It is also silly, says one philosopher, and corrupt.

...A nuclear weapon is set to go off in Manhattan within hours. You have a terrorist in custody who knows where the bomb is, but he's not talking. Do you torture him for information?

...

Whether a fraud or a piety-puncturer, the ticking-bomb scenario is certainly potent. In an essay in the new collection ''The Torture Debate in America'' (Cambridge), David Luban, a Georgetown law professor and philosopher, explains its one-two rhetorical and philosophical punch: First, it magically transforms the stereotypical torturer from a sick, sadistic figure into ''a conscientious public servant, heroic the way that New York firefighters were heroic.'' Second, it suggests that once you give up a principle in an extreme case, ''all that is left is haggling over the price.'' That is, your moral standard was pretty lax to begin with.

But this notion that if you give in when Manhattan is on the line then you must not really oppose torture ''has got to be wrong,'' Luban says in an interview. ''That generates a cheap argument against anyone who believes in any absolutes.'' Imagine, for example, that you believe abortion is always and everywhere wrong. Are you a ''phony'' if you would nevertheless have an abortion if a tyrant told you that if you did not, he would slaughter every member of your family? You can load the dice that way against any moral position.

...

...If there were 100 people in custody and only one had the information needed, but you didn't know which one, would you torture all 100? Or would you torture a terrorist's innocent daughter if she happened to know where the bomb was but out of misguided loyalty remained silent?

''We can all be persuaded to draw the line somewhere,'' Waldron wrote in the October issue of the Columbia Law Review, ''and I say we should draw it where the law requires it, and where the human rights tradition has insisted it should be drawn.''

...

Of course, such dueling abstractions are a long way from what America may be doing, or may have done, to so-called high-value detainees. And that's perhaps the ultimate problem with the scenario. Its facts are so stylized as to be fantastical: You know there really is a bomb; you know you have the right man in custody; you know torture would elicit the crucial information. Elaine Scarry, a Harvard English professor and scholar of torture, has suggested that while we're making up such artificial rules, why not add just one more: You also know where the bomb is. Problem solved!

...

(more)
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:02 AM
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9. what a darn stupid question...did the wallace kid think it up, or was it
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 11:03 AM by flordehinojos
rove or darth bader cheney? none of the bushit goons have any respect for human life at all!

oops! i see cavuto turd was the one.

:mad:
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:09 AM
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10. "Would Markets Rise if Neil Cavuto Was Tortured?"
Maybe he would talk and share his massive knowledge of the markets with investors!

Or maybe he's just a fat-assed propaganda whore.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:14 PM
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11. Fox: "Could Columbine have been avoided if we tortured teenagers?"
:eyes:
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:24 PM
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12. Makes you think, huh?

Also, think of all those poor soldier's lives lost in Iraq... all preventable if he had been tortured. And all those homosexuals. They'd all still be single if we'd JUST been ALLOWED by the GODDAMN LEFT to torture him. Sigh. Oh, sigh. The damn left.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:27 PM
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13. Bush's FBI refused to allow search, so NO, because we would
not arrest him till after 9/11
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:30 PM
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14. As if it were an option. These are some sick fucking people.

Torture is as torture does...do unto others...ah, fuckem.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:31 PM
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15. "Could 9/11 have been been avoided if the Bush admin did their jobs?"
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:32 PM
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16. NO, there were too many others involved-he was only one keg. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:33 PM
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17. Only on a tv program or movie
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:34 PM
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18. Could 9/11 Have Been Avoided If Condoleezza Rice Was Tortured?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:35 PM
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19. or if FBI had bothered to investigate him
Isn't investigating someone a pre-requisite to torture?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:37 PM
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20. Could we have national health insurance if Congress was tortured?
I'm beginning to have second thoughts about this torture thingy.

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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:38 PM
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21. YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:40 PM
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22. Could it have been prevented if Bush was never born?
I kid the president. (I'm channeling the rarely funny Bill Maher)

But how did Moussaoui enjoy his stun belt?

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