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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:47 AM
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Slave Labor: Alive and Well in the United States of America -->
The recent immigration issue has brought to the fore the slave-labor conditions under which immigrants, many in our country illegally, are forced to work under care of American companies. Below are a few exerpts from Fast Food Nation that describe in detail this modern-day slavery.

After reading these excerpts, ask yourself. Are these the jobs that Americans won't do? Or are these the jobs that corrupt, callous, selfish, greedy, inhumane American companies (in collaboration with corrupt, callous, selfish, greedy, power-hungry Republican politicians) that are knowingly forced upon a slave labor workforce that is given low pay, no say, nightmare working conditions, and no worker's rights?

Note: In the last paragraph, please note that the reduction in enforcement of OSHA was, of course, a product of the Reagan Admistration.


...beef slaughterhouses often operate at profit margins as low as a few pennies a pound. The three meatpacking giants - ConAgra, IBP, and Excel - try to increase their earnings by maximizing the volume of production at each plant. Once a slaughterhouse is up and running, fully staffed, the profits it will earn are directly related to the speed of the line. A faster pace means higher profits.

The unrelenting pressure of trying to keep up with the line has encouraged widespread methamphetamine use among meatpackers...Supervisors have been known to sell crank to their workers or to supply it free in return for certain favors, such as working a second shift.

In the days when labor unions were strong, workers could complain about excessive line speeds and injury rates without fear of getting fired. Today only one-third of IBP's workers belong to a union. Most of the nonunion workers are recent immigrants; many are illegals; and they are generally employed "at will." This means they can be fired without warning, for just about any reason. Such an arrangement does not encourage them to lodge complaints.

From a purely economic point of view, injured workers are a drag on profits. They are less productive. Getting rid of them makes a good deal of financial sense, especially when new workers are readily available and inexpensive to train.

Some of the most dangerous jobs in meatpacking today are performed by the late-night cleaning crews. A large proportion of these workers are illegal immigrants.They are considered "independent contractors," employed not by the meatpacking firms but by sanitation companies. They earn hourly wages that are about one-third lower than those of regular production employees. And their work is so hard and so horrendous that words seem inadequate to describe it.

During the same years when working conditions at America's meatpacking plants became more dangerous - when line speeds increased and illegal immigrants replaced skilled workers - the federal government greatly reduced the enforcement of health and safety laws. OSHA had long been despised by the nation's manufacturers, who considered the agency a source of meddlesome regulations and red tape.

Source: Schlosser, Eric. Fast Food Nation. New York: Perennial/Harper Collins, 2002. pp. 174-179
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:51 AM
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1. Let's talk about OUTSOURCING and INSOURCING
Both have taken thousands of American jobs away from working Americans.. Those were our jobs and they continue to pawn our jobs off to the Indians and Pakistanis... They are bringing immigrants into this country to work for lower wages usurping our jobs.....

Don't tell me about hispanics when Americans are losing their actual physical jobs to overseas and immigrants who are brought here to do the job cheaper.....
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:54 AM
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2. Two wrongs don't make a right.
eom
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:56 AM
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4. I don't understand what you are saying.....
please elaborate....
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:58 AM
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5. I don't think we should have to choose between sending our jobs to India
or losing them to illegal immigrants who will be exploited.

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:01 PM
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6. Me neither, I just think that if people are so
concerned about losing jobs, they are not looking at the whole picture if all they see is a hispanic threat....
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:05 PM
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8. Very good point.
Indeed we must address all the issues facing average Americans.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:49 PM
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17. It's not a choice between them --
they are both being foisted upon us by the corporations that have no objective other than a higher profit.

The corporations have no problem with our citizens being undercut by immigrant labor. If they reduce the standard of living enough, they will create third world conditions here and not have to worry about immigrants. It would work better for them to have a non-unionized US workforce that will accept immigrant level pay and conditions, but that speaks the language. That's what they are working toward.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:00 PM
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18. You are correct.
I can't believe Democrats are abandoning organized labor. That ought to help us win back the house. NOT.
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:45 PM
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20. Yes, exactly!
So they are working towards a flat across-the-board poor, destitute, will-do-anything-for-work workforce. The new 3rd World United States of America - welcome!
:cry:
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:08 PM
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9. Yep - insourcing and outsourcing!
Both are a tremendous strain on the American Middle Class. In fact, it's wiping them out!

We have to be careful though not to well up with anger AT people of a particular race or ethnicity. Goes with "love one another." It is the SYSTEM that is corrupt, a system that allows illegals to come into our country, take our jobs, and depress wages.

That being said, I am dismayed to see those who America has taken in waving Mexican flags. If they love America so much, and are so thankful to be here, why aren't they waving American flags? WE are the ones who took THEM in...this is America! I simply don't understand the Mexican flag-waving, it all seems so disingenuous to me.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:16 PM
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10. I understand that is how you see it... But
I hold the right to protest dear to my heart and they way they want to do it, is up to them, regardless of how I or you or anyone else feels....

The flag is a symbol of the rights we hold dear... Burn the flag, the freedom still goes on....
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 01:11 PM
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19. FYI, it isn't always a matter of "us" taking "them" in...
some latinos in the southwest have fmailies that have been there since well before the US was even a country.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:55 AM
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3. wait wait wait
There is a reason their wage is that low - mostly related to someone is always willing to be paid less.

Ever been to Tijuana? This is not representative of American greed (although for certain that's a factor), but of the unwillingness or inability to effectively manage their labor offering.

If those "undocumented workers" organized they could change things. That's the reality.

Personally I think we need to offer an amnesty to those who are here and then focus on sealing the borders. That leaves the people who are here to legally organize and get fair wage, which will force those corrupt business practices to change.

But if more people keep hemorrhaging in willing to be paid less the system will never change.
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:02 PM
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7. Do you REALLY believe illegals can organize?
Do REALLY believe American companies would allow that? That's why these illegals are there - because the companies know they are just happy to work in the U.S. and they'll never say "boo" about their rotten slave labor working conditions. They will NOT organize on their own - they know they'd just be fired and replaced with other illegals. It's a perfect, dispensible workforce for greedy, inhumane slave-driver companies.

What you say makes sense regarding anmesty, but I still am hesitant. I am a by the books kind of guy and I still believe that "Illegal" means you are doing something against the law. I feel that may be rewarding illegal immigrants, and I don't think that's fair to those who came into our contry legally.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:16 PM
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11. Can they organize??
Did you see how quickly they organized their rallies. It was quite impressive by any standard. Just saying. :shrug:
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:25 PM
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13. They were able to organize so effectively
b/c business interests, the corporate media, and the Catholic Church backed them. That support will be conspicuously missing in any protest involving increased wages and better working conditions.
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:26 PM
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14. I guess by "organize" I meant "on the job."
I don't know how many people here have worked retail jobs, but it's tough these days. With "at will employment," you can get fired for any reason and they don't even have to tell you. Workers are dispensible, and they know they can easily and cheaply replace you.

Now take an illegal person who doesn't know English and has no concept of worker's rights. Take a pool of millions of these kinds of workers. What do you think the American companies will do? Sit back and say, "Oh, well, these guys are demanding rights, sure, let's spend the $$$ and give them their rights, NO PROBLEM?" Not a CHANCE! Just like they have done with American union workers, they will simply fire all the workers and replace them with new illegals!!

I think the first step would be to get a Democratic Administration in power who actually cares about people. Then they can coerce the companies into creating better working conditions.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:17 PM
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12. yes I believe they can organize
they certainly organize for soccer games and sunday in the park, they can do this too.

I'm not saying that they are completely responsible for their lot in life but they CAN do something about it, with the right leadership. Anyway, their part of "organizing" means getting to those other disposable illegals FIRST.

When I hire a maid from a "white" housecleaning company, I'm not required to 1099 her (or him). However if they "look like an illegal alien" then I'll get a felony charge if I don't demand their papers, id, work visas, and 1099 them?

I'm sorry, we cannot allow a double standard. I am not a domestic employer when I have incidental labor servicing my home. I don't 1099 my plumber either, or check his work papers. The reality on the ground is that we have to have a "cut off" somewhere.

If 2/3 children of illegal immigrants were born here, "punishing" the illegal alien parents who are de facto here would be punishing their children, and I can't get behind that. We need to assess realistically, and spend the money we would spend on enforcing roundups and felony charges on closing the border. No wishy washiness either. Close the damn border. Do it, and do it effectively. Give the ones who are here already amnesty, and federally fund whatever it takes. We already fund "whatever it takes" at crossing points and airports and seaports, give or take reasonable container inspection. If we stretch our focus and re-appropriate our resources and priorities, we really can do this.
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:30 PM
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15. please see #14 above
n/t
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 12:37 PM
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16. please see #12 above again
more than one issue discussed.
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