Okla teen arrested for tobacco possession

karlrschneider

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:14 PM
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Okla teen arrested for tobacco possession

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Wasn't sure I heard this right on the TV news earlier...

http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories.asp?whichpage=1&id=101452

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ayeshahaqqiqa

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:20 PM
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1. Welcome to the facist state

We know what is good for you, you know. You must obey!!!!

OTOH, this is Chickasaw OK, which means it is probably on a reservation. For many Native Americans, tobacco is sacred and part of their religion, though I guess dip would be hard to use in tobacco ties. :)

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OKNancy

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:22 PM
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2. There aren't any reservations in Oklahoma

Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 02:24 PM by OKNancy

We have lots of towns with Indian names, but no reservations

( at least not the way you are thinking of a reservations)

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Mabus

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:49 PM
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16. Correction, the Osage Reservation is the only reservation in Oklahoma

From the Osage Nation's website

Modern Osages

The Osage Nation is a federally recognized Indian nation and occupies the Osage Reservation in north-central Oklahoma. The Osage Nation consists of approximately 18,000 Osage citizens with an estimated 4,000 residing on the Reservation. The BIA estimates, according to its labor force report, that there are an additional 6,500 other Indians residing on the Reservation. The Indian Health Service estimates that the IHS Pawhuska Health Center provides ambulatory care for 10,000 Indians.

The Reservation contains 1,469,240 acres or 2,296 square miles. The Osage Nation in 1870, purchased the Reservation and is the only federally recognized Reservation remaining in Oklahoma. The capital of the Osage Nation is in Pawhuska, Oklahoma. The principal Reservation communities of the Osage Nation are at Hominy, Fairfax, Pawhuska, and Skiatook.

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OKNancy

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Thu Mar-30-06 03:05 PM
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19. Yes, I know, but it's still not like what the poster

was thinking. There is no place exclusively populated by Indians. On Osage land, you can't tell the difference from any other county in Oklahoma. You can drive from Tulsa to Pawhuska and think it's just another drive. Think of the phrase "You have been assimilated"

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Mabus

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Thu Mar-30-06 03:14 PM
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21. LOL, I know what you mean

When I'm in Oklahoma I'm usually in the central part because that's where my immediate family lives (Edmond, OKC, El Reno and Bethany). When I can I go visit my Indian relatives in Cheyenne-Arapaho country out west.

But officially, there is one reservation in Oklahoma.

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OKNancy

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Thu Mar-30-06 03:40 PM
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24. Damn - just heard on the weather

Osage county is under a tornado warning.
Lots of nasty weather all around - some coming your was too.

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Mabus

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Thu Mar-30-06 03:53 PM
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26. It just started raining in the last 10 minutes

Looks like I'm in for the rest of the day. Oh well, the house scraping is ahead of schedule. Hopefully this will knock off some of the paint we've loosened up. :eyes: MuseRider lives west of me and said she was preparing for a second onslaught a while ago.

We're starting to get some lightning. We're watching the weather closely because of the surprise microburst a couple of weeks ago (that we're still cleaning up from).

Just checked radar, the red and purple stuff is just on the edge of town and moving this way. :yoiks:

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ayeshahaqqiqa

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Thu Mar-30-06 03:39 PM
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23. that's funny

Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 03:42 PM by ayeshahaqqiqa

because I have a friend who is working on the Choctaw reservation in southeast OK as we speak-he's an engineer who is helping them build houses.

Edited to say that though there may be one recognized reservation, apparently the Choctaw still call the land near their governmental headquarters a reservation.

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karlrschneider

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:34 PM
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8. Actually the town's name is Chickasha, the -tribe- of similar name

is the Chickasaw. It's strange but we have other examples, like the town Muskogee and the tribe Muscogee. And actually there are no reservations in Oklahoma, in the typical sense at least.

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Mabus

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:52 PM
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18. There's a difference

between ceremonial tobacco and regular smoking tobacco. I've still got some my mom's ceremonial tobacco. It was made from buffalo tallow, sumac and tobacco. It is very, very moist even after 9 years.

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MADem

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:24 PM
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3. Under BushCo, it seems that police are getting a bit heavy-handed

Reminds me of the Nixon era.

They really need to check themselves, I think. It took years and years for them to morph from "pigs" to Officer Friendlies...and they aren't helping much with this kind of nonsense. A word to a parent, and perhaps confiscation of the offending tin, might have sufficed.

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cynatnite

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:26 PM
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4. Arrested for chewing tobacco??

I went to high school in Cherokee, OK. Most boys I knew chewed.

This is completely stupid.

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OKNancy

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:29 PM
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5. It's against the law for minors to have tobacco

I spent one year in hell teaching high school history in Newcastle Oklahoma in 1974. The boys spit on the floor! It was disgusting. I changed careers after that year. lol

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cynatnite

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:31 PM
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7. They carried cups around when I was in high school.

Teachers never said much.

This was a farming community and chewing was the norm for most guys.

Sure, it's illegal for minors, but I've never heard of anyone getting arrested over it.

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Warpy

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:39 PM
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14. I sat next to a charmer in freshman English

who spat into his desk. That desk was unoccupied in succeeding classes.

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Warpy

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:38 PM
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13. Yeah, but maybe it'll encourage this kid to stop

before half his face gets removed due to lip, tongue, and jaw cancer.

I hate to see kids that young get started.

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cynatnite

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:50 PM
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17. That's naive

Chewing tobacco is widely accepted. Many adults in communities like these will allow their kids to chew tobacco. Some consider it far better than smoking.

My hubby started chewing when he was 14 years old. His parents always knew about it. He did it for years up until about 8 years ago when his brother died from sudden cardiac death. Getting arrested wouldn't have stopped him, but his brother's death did.

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Warpy

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Thu Mar-30-06 03:12 PM
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20. I know, but I can dream

Hell, I'd rather they chew it than smoke it. Spit is disgusting, but smoke makes me deathly sick.

I'm glad your hubby was able to quit.

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cynatnite

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Thu Mar-30-06 03:41 PM
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25. We have a seven year old son...

and we wouldn't allow it. Hubby wouldn't want him to take it up at all. It was really hard for him to quit, too.

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MadHound

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:31 PM
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6. Geez, what insanity

Hell, they could probably arrest half the highschool population for this:eyes:

What's even scarier is that they apparently did this to twelve kids last year, and have already arrested four this year.

Perhaps this is the new revenue generator down in OK.:shrug:

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karlrschneider

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:35 PM
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10. I've just discovered it's a well known speed trap too. So yeah,

revenue is the name of -those- games...
:grr:

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anitar1

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:34 PM
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9. Wow, proves that the Chicksha police force

is out there fighting crime. Wonder what their numbers are for meth labs. Oops, sorry, some of those meth labs are really dngerous place to be.Better to target snuff users. More lucrative too. For other poster, Chickasha is not on a reservation , as I remember. Some Indian names used for towns in OK. Tecumseh and Seminole among them. But one of my brothers was born on the Bigheart ,sic?, Indian Reservation. The name was later changed, as I remember hearing about from family members.

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SoCalDem

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:36 PM
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11. When I was a kid, my father sent me to the PX with a note and 50 cents

to get him 2 packs of Viceroys...and a quarter for me to spend on candy..

Times have changed.. I rode my bike there..I think I was about 8 or 9..:)

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Horse with no Name

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:36 PM
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12. I'd rather they educate them than arrest them

But for someone underrage, whatever works.

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noonwitch

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Thu Mar-30-06 02:41 PM
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15. When cops arrest kids for that, it's usually because the kids are trouble

When kids are being obnoxious, or they've been told to give up the cigarettes and they refuse, cops will arrest and ticket kids for possession of tobacco. The lesson is that it is easier to give it up when asked then to pay fines.

I had a cousin who was at a party where alcohol was being served and all the kids were underage. When the cops showed up, they asked each kid if he had been drinking. They all lied except my cousin, who said he had a couple of beers. They all got tickets, except my cousin, because, as the cops told the rest of them, he didn't lie about it.

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rucky

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Thu Mar-30-06 03:15 PM
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22. I think a good way to show the dangers of smoking is a public execution.

tobacco kills more than you think.

edited for: :sarcasm:

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Thu Mar-30-06 04:00 PM
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27. 'Tis coming to that.....

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