5-Year-Old Shoots and KIlls 4-Year-Old Sister

Run time: 01:19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TImOqmwgmco   Posted on YouTube: May 05, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 06, 2008 By DU Member: Truth2Tell Views on DU: 1344

 
This is heartbreaking.

The second and third words of the Second Amendment are "well regulated."

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This is supposed to be a political video?

as in a locked gun vault! I don't know anyone in my part of the world without one?

with lower rates for those who can demonstrate that they have and use a gun vault. :shrug:

only big enough for a 5 yr old. took 2 hours to hand out gifts to youngsters..in a way it's nice to see the Dads out with their little boys and know they all take them hunting...but pray they are responsible!

the laws.

His daughter is DEAD!

I am all for gun ownership, but it takes responsibility. I have guns in the house, but they are locked up in a safe. The thought of my boy getting hold of it when I am not around is scary. He does have a .22 for target practice, but he only has it when I am there. He has had many lectures on safety, and a few demos of what can happen (shooting watermelons makes it easy to get the point across).

what responsible parent leaves a loaded gun on top of a bookcase . . .

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with my secretary's daughter and it went off..thank gawd no one was hurt...patrolman had just gotten off a long shift and "tired"...

he should be an ex-highway patrolman if he cannot handle his own gun appropriately.

Thank goodness your sec's daughter was uninjured.

He was sitting on the curb, with his head in his hands. Anything the courts could to him at that point, would be anti-climatic.

pnorman

The story doesn't say who put the gun on top of the bookcase. I see no reason to condemn the father unless he is the one responsible.

There was a case here a couple years ago. A family friend came over and put his bag down in the living room and went into another room to talk to the father. 4 year old kid who lives in the house came in, saw the bag, looked in it and found a loaded gun.

So is the father responsible?

these gunowners need to realize there are repercussions for their negligence - beyond sympathy. I do not feel sorry for him in the least. He will still wake up tomorrow. Have breakfast. Eventually get on with life.

His daughter, on the other hand . . . .

Nor was I advocating "leniency" if/when he's charged with whatever applies in his state. But without even seeing his face, I KNOW that his life has been severely damaged, perhaps beyond mending. He'd probably WELCOME a public flagellation.

Unlike perhaps the greater majority here on DU, I'm not a card-carrying Christian. But I try to avoid "feel good" self-righteous zeal for punishment. It brings to mind the news reports of "execution vigils". There, the prayers of the anti death penalty protesters, are frequently drowned out by "BURN! scum-bag, BURN!"

pnorman

that the posters are displaying.

Rather, I think it has to do with a child that trusts adults for their safety. A 4-year old child is dead. I have a 6-year old granddaughter. I raised 2 children. I know how trusting they are. They believe the adults. They trust the adults to keep them safe and to do the right thing. This Father let his child down - and the child paid the ultimate price.

I probably would not feel as strongly had the victim been an adult. Or if the accident had been with something other than a gun.

But gun owners CONSTANTLY boast of their "rights". They are more concerned with their personal rights of ownership and often neglect any sense of responsibility.

I say again. A 4-year old child is dead. And this guy is responsible. I feel absolutely no sympathy toward him.

no charges were filed in that case either.

I am not a gun nut, and as a matter of fact don't have one in my home because I KNOW there is no way to have a loaded gun in a house with children: safely. But please. Do you think the father should be in jail because it was a gun? It was an accident that involved a gun. What if the same child had sacked a chair on a chair in an effort to get some Oreos, fell and broken his neck? Is that just an accident or should the dad be in jail? These are human being we are dealing with and accidents happen.

The dad will have to live with the knowledge that he is responsible for the death of his child for the rest of his life. Some people don't live in safe places and feel a gun is needed protection.

and if you cannot see that, then I give up.

A 4 YEAR-OLD CHILD BEING KILLED by a loaded gun goes waaaaaaaay beyond an accident.

And I shall never be convinced that knowledge on the part of this parent that HE KILLED HIS CHILD is enough. He needs to be in jail. Gun owners who leave loaded guns in their house are in the same class as totally indebriated drivers.


Would you let your child walk on the wrong side of the fence at the Grand Canyon? I mean, if he/she slips, it would just be an accident. Of course not - there is a certain amount of responsiblity that adults must take as parents. And failure to do so - when the responsibility is just so obvious, is criminal.

I "get" what you are saying and of course I know there is a difference between a gun death and falling off a chair. But in terms of criminal culpability: there is no difference at all (based on the reported facts). There is neglect, at MOST, in both examples not even depraved indifference.

You are ignoring that the man did not have the gun is the coffee table drawer or laying in the middle of the floor. It was on top of a six foot tall piece of furniture: there is a reasonable expectation that a five y/o 3 foot tall child wasn't going to have access to it. All I am saying there doesn't seem to be any level of crime here.

Of course not.

This man belongs in jail, period.

Feeling sorry about what you did or didn't do doesn't work in this day and age.

If the father left drain cleaner in a shelf six feet off the floor and the kid got into it, it would be a stretch to say the father was even negligent, much less criminally culpable. It is no less a stretch in this case.It is a tragedy. It is awful. I hate that the child is dead, but it was an accident. Not all tragedies involving children need to end with a parent in jail.

Really caused by stupidity and criminal carelessness, but to be fair (if that is possible to expect from anti gunners ) it is still not the guns fault it is the fault of a supposed responsible adult leaving a weapon were a child could get hands on it. No on in th eworld wants things like this to happen EVER.... children die every day in accidents of some sort, autos, electrocution, falling from buildings, I would be willing to bet that if real true numbers were used gun deaths are way down on the list.

Also I would suggest that you take time to look up the meaning of the phrase "well regulated" as it pertains to the period of time in which the constitution was drafted, it was defined as "well trained" not regulated in the sense of controlled. This is a pretty well known and accepted thing amongst everyone but anti gunners who use it in any way that can make their side look in the right.

for extensive training in gun safety prior to attaining gun ownership. That sounds like it would be in line with the wording of the second ammendment.

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for extensive training in gun safety prior to attaining gun ownership. That sounds like it would be in line with the wording of the second ammendment. (quote)



Boy do I agree with that one, I have been around guns all of my life , had my first 22 rifle about 9 or so, was a federal licensed dealer for 10 years, have seen and heard of too damn many idiots doing stupid things with guns. They are a tool that is what they are, and they are a very dangerous tool, I have seen people who know how dangerous a sharp knife, or a power saw or lawnmower can be treat guns like play things...I am also a CCW licensee in several states and think that a lot of them are too damn easy to get , they need to set up some pretty strict training standards for sure....

His daughter is DEAD!!!!

I'm curious as to what precise laws were violated in this case. Incidently, I feel pretty bad for the son too. He's the one who actally pulled the trigger, and will have to live with this for the rest of his life. He will be living with a horrible burden of guilt, no matter how innocent society may hold him.

It would be nice if there could have been some way to prevent the death in the first place. I'm wondering what law enforcement activity would have accomplished this.

"There is no true CAP law, although Indiana does make it illegal for an adult to “knowingly,
intentionally or recklessly provide a firearm to a child .” A second provision makes
it a crime for an adult to allow a child under 18 to possess a firearm, if the adult is aware of a
substantial risk that the child will use the firearm to commit a felony and fails to take reasonable
steps to prevent it. These very narrow provisions do not require adult gun owners to
store their guns locked and beyond the reach of children."

http://www.bmsg.org/pdfs/gunPolicy.pdf


There is no provision in Indiana that an adult keep the gun away from a 5-year old. No wonder the Europeans are baffled by our gun laws.

I hate the NRA.

We need idiot control.

nt

in IN that would have required this father lock up his gun? Or get training on safety prior to purchase? :shrug:

not guns.

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It's gonna be berated by those who don't understand that killing tools are a necessary part of everyday living. We need MORE GUNS in our world! Guns make the world a better and safer place for everyone. Besides, you never know when grocery stores will run outta meat! :sarcasm:

she could have defended herself.