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Hot Potato Mash Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:27 PM
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KARL ROVE REFUSES TO DENY INVOLVEMENT IN DON SIEGELMAN CASE!
 
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This morning, on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos", Karl Rove refused to deny his involvement in the Don Siegelman prosecution. And laughingly so. Check out the short video above and the transcript below:

George Stephanopoulos (quoting the House Report): “the question for Mr. Rove is whether he directly or indirectly discussed the possibility of prosecuting Don Siegelman with the Justice Department or Alabama Republicans.” Did you?

Karl Rove: ...First of all, uh, I have said, uh,  I learned about Don Siegelman's prosecution by reading about it in the newspaper...

Stephanopoulos: But to be clear, you did not contact the Justice Department about this case?

Rove: Uh, I, I've read about, I'm going to simply say what I've said before which is, I found out about Don Siegelman's investigation and indictment by reading about it in the newspaper.

Stephanopoulos: But that's not a denial.

Rove: Uh, I, I've, I've, I've, uh, you know, I've read about, I've heard about, read about it, learned about it for the first time by reading about it in the newspaper.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:29 PM
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1. he expects a pardon, then
That's the only reason not to be scared.
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:40 PM
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2. Then don't convict the SOB until after January 20, 2009!
You KNOW this guy is lying through his teeth. I hope they get him to testify, whether they have to wait one week, one month, or one year. I want this son of a bitch to pay up for a small piece of how he has misused the office of the President and his position as an aid to this buffoon devil.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:48 PM
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4. Can he be pardoned before he's convicted?
A pardont doesn't work for crimes not discovered in the future does it?

Maybe the dems are dragging their feet on this till January so they can get a conviction?
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:18 PM
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14. Didn't Gerald Ford pardon Nixon even though he was never convicted of anything?
If so, then your answer is "yes."
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:39 PM
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17. Bush41 blanket pardoned "EVERYONE" involved in Iran Contra, before the fact, lots of people died too
Edited on Sun May-25-08 01:40 PM by sam sarrha
or got their brains cut out.. casey, head of CIA gets sudden brain cancer, memory cut out during operation.. Reagan SUDDENLY gets Alzheimer's after a Frontal Lobotomy.. did i really say that..??

http://www.inthe80s.com/scandal.shtml

http://www.schule.de/englisch/state_of_the_union/group7/project/timeline.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=iran+contra++TIME+LINE&btnG=Search
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:36 PM
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25. Bush pardoned Weinberger and others after indictment
Edited on Sun May-25-08 02:39 PM by tblue37
but before conviction:
Title: "Bush Pardons Weinberger, Five Others Tied to Iran-Contra."
President Bush granted pardons to former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and five other individuals for their conduct related to the Iran-Contra affair, calling Weinberger a "true patriot."

Author: MCDONALD, DIAN (USIA STAFF WRITER)
Date: 1992/12/24

Text:
BUSH PARDONS WEINBERGER, FIVE OTHERS TIED TO IRAN-CONTRA

(Calls Weinberger "true American patriot") (650) By Dian McDonald USIA White House Correspondent Washington -- President Bush December 24 granted pardons to former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and five other individuals for their conduct related to the Iran-Contra affair.

Bush said Weinberger -- who had been scheduled to go on trial in Washington January 5 on charges related to Iran-Contra -- was a "true American patriot," who had served with "distinction" in a series of public positions since the late 1960s.

"I am pardoning him not just out of compassion or to spare a 75-year-old patriot the torment of lengthy and costly legal proceedings, but to make it possible for him to receive the honor he deserves for his extraordinary service to our country," Bush said in a proclamation granting executive clemency.

The president also pardoned five other persons who already had pleaded guilty or had been indicted or convicted in connection with the Iran-Contra arms-for-hostages investigation. They were Elliott Abrams, a former assistant secretary of state for Inter-American affairs; former National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane; and Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, and Clair George, all former employees of the Central Intelligence Agency.
More at link
http://www.fas.org/news/iran/1992/921224-260039.htm
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:03 PM
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28. There's a worst reason that he could feel unfraid
which is...because he knows martial law is coming and Congress will be cut out of the loop even more than it has been.

I had one of those horrible clear-as-a-bell insights yesterday.
We know impeachment of Bush would only lead to Cheney being Prez.
Can't blame amyone for wanting to avoid that move.

But what would happen if "terrorists" attacked the WH and the Prez. were killed?


In a normal country, my mind would not even go in these directions...
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Ferd Berfle Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:47 PM
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3. Odd - Why not deny it? He's not under oath - yet
:rofl:
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:51 PM
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Because he's going to keep repeating over and over and over...
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how he heard about he Siegleman prosecution when he read it in the paper. He's going to say it so often that it will at a certain point in time become "fact."

And if he denies anything and later something comes out about his involvement, he will be faced with video of himself saying he wasn't involved. It will show him as a liar and discredit anything else he says.

This is all part of his strategy.

edit: I don't know why the link to the video is coming up, it's not in my post!
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:55 PM
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6. deleted....
Edited on Sun May-25-08 12:55 PM by Phred42


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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:51 PM
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5. translation of K double speak; "yes my fingerprints are all over the
dirty tricks to destroy D Siegelman and the Dem party and nullify Dem wins in many elections; But I first heard that my crooked thuggery had worked from the M$M.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:56 PM
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7. Agree! And just one point.......
Dirty Tricks
We have to change OUR thinking before we can change the Frame. And we have to change the frame.

Let’s STOP referring to the evil manipulative crap that the Republicans do as ”Dirty Tricks”!

The term “Dirty Tricks’ is a term for something cutesy and benign. What these bastards have done, are doing, and will continue to do, is not cute, and it is not benign. What they are doing is a blatant, premeditated, dishonest, underhanded and direct attack on the foundations of Democracy. They are calculated backdoor full assault, designed to subvert, undermine and manipulate the Nation, the Constitution, the Truth and the Democratic Process.

Switching the salt and sugar in their respective containers for April Fools day - is a Dirty Trick.

Filling a paper bag with dog shit, leaving it on someone’s door step, lighting it on fire, ringing their doorbell and running away – is a Dirty Trick.

What Nixon did to Muskie, what Reagan did to Carter and what the Bush’s did to Gore was not cute, what Bush did to McCain and Kerry was not benign. What they did was nothing less than subvert the Democratic process and hijack the Nation.

It was, and is, in fact - Terrorism against Democracy. And we MUST treat it as such!

This is what cowards do when they cannot make an honest, factual, truthful and convincing argument.

You have some heavy thinkers there. So do the Nation a service and find another term for this evil, corrupt, and dishonest practice. Start calling it what it is, and calling the people that do it, what they are.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:09 PM
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13. Critical point, agreed, it's gonna take a lot to reverse the brainwash.
We are smarter than the message used against our interests and democracy. Have to learn to resist or dispel the subtle ways our thought is being manipulated.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:01 PM
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22. Right on. Call it what it is: a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY to subvert the American democracy
What we're dealing with is an organized crime ring with tentacles reaching into every department of US government.

It is endlessly frustrating to see educated people repeating the silly "tinfoil hat" meme introduced by CIA psy ops decades ago in order to ridicule anyone calling the beast by its proper name.

The fact that a tinfoil hat emoticon even exists on DU is a sign of how deeply this taboo against recognizing major criminal conspiracies has penetrated American culture and every single person's consciousness at this point.

Please, never forget what these two master conspirators said:


"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."

~ William Colby,


CIA Director from Sept. 1973 to Jan. 1976 under Presidents Nixon and Ford.
Colby was replaced by future President George H.W. Bush on January 30, 1976.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________


"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

~ William Casey,


CIA Director from 1981 to 1987.

(Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)

Casey headed up the successful presidential campaign of Ronald Reagan in 1980 and served on the transition team following the election. After Reagan took office, he named Casey to the post of Director of the CIA.
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:06 PM
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12. Absolutely!
He's saying the first he'd heard of the indictment was by reading it in the newspaper. He doesn't deny any involvement before actually reading about it. He thinks we're stupid. Even Steff picked up on that lame "denial" he sputtered through, and George and the rest of his Sunday morning cohorts aren't exactly the masters of the follow-up question.

Rat bastard.


:nuke:
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:34 PM
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24. Perzactly!
That's just what I was thinking while listening to this ass can. He "heard" about the prosecution thru the media. What he DOESN'T say is that he DIDN'T initiate the crap. THEN he'd be lying - nat that that's anything new to Karl! :grr:
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Mark D. Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:57 PM
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8. Wow
I've never heard him quite so nervous. His 'I found out about his PROSECUTION in the newspaper' makes it so obvious. That means he learned that it HAPPENED that way. And it will stand up under oath. That does NOT deny he made phone calls and peddled influence to start the wheels rolling to get the prosecution to happen. If he felt he'd never be held guilty for contempt/lying under oath, he'd just say "I had nothing to do with it ever". This "Congress has no right by executive priviledge" just pisses me off. Who the fuck does he think he is? His stance is: "We as aides can do what we want, and you can't make us testify ever". It didn't work for Nixon/his aides. And it won't work for him.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:59 PM
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9. He does seem nervous. Let us hope something sticks to this jackass.
So that political operatives will learn the right lessons from Karl Rove.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:05 PM
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10. Cling to those talking points, kkkarl. Stick like glue.
Even having to look at him makes my stomach turn.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:06 PM
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11. Lying son of a bitch
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:19 PM
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15. If he's claiming
EP then how can he talk about it on TV today.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:26 PM
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16. i wonder why that would be?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:43 PM
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18. Why doesn't he just deny it?
It's not like lying bothers him or is nothing he's done before.
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:49 PM
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19. This traitor has to be brought into line before any real change in the system can be called true
change.

And he's just the beginning.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:49 PM
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20. Let's see. He read about it the first time by reading about it, pretty much!
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:54 PM
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21. Karl Rove's new dishwashing detergent: Guilt-O-Live...
He's soaking in it.
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freeradicalm Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:06 PM
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23. get this bastard to sing like a canary
and when he gets to prison, he will be squealing like the little fat pig that he is! Goddamn these fucking neocon bastards!
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liberalcanuck Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:51 PM
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26. I soooooooo want to see this guy do the perp walk nt
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:51 PM
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27. "Uh, b'dee, uh, b'dee,uh, b'dee,uh, b'dee...That's all folks
that I'm going to say about it."

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 05:05 PM
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29. An audio voice analysis of Rove's statements here will prove he is lying
....and we all know what a lying bastard KKKarl Rove is. Even his face and his eyes show he is lying :wtf:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:09 PM
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30. As close as this guy's fingers is to the political pulse...
Edited on Sun May-25-08 06:09 PM by rasputin1952
he's lying though his teeth.

I'm betting he is counting on a pardon if this goes up the ladder. He should be arrested by the House Sgt at Arms, and be brought forth into the House ot answer the questions. The pardon following his arrest would ensure that other investigations could be pursued, and dealt with after bush is out of office and incapable of issuing pardons.
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BeautifulHyperwolf Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:12 PM
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31. I don't think he can be pardoned
his trial will likely be set for 2009. It was like that with Libby.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:33 PM
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32. Classic non-denial denial
brings back Watergate memories
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:39 PM
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33. 3 things
1) Nervous

2) He Parsed his words very carefully

3) I think he knows the case will go to a judge that "they" own
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:22 PM
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34. He's telling the truth!
He first read about it in a newspaper, the "Daily Dick," a private desktop-publication by the Vice President in which are announced all the names of people to be railroaded by his minions. What? What's the problem?
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 02:52 AM
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35. fuckin lying pos, sob, mf. ghhhhhhhaaaaaahhh
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