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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:24 PM
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Germany bans chemicals linked to honeybee deaths (Bayer)
 
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Pesticides: Germany bans chemicals linked to honeybee devastation

Germany has banned a family of pesticides that are blamed for the deaths of millions of honeybees. The German Federal Office of Consumer Protection and Food Safety (BVL) has suspended the registration for eight pesticide seed treatment products used in rapeseed oil and sweetcorn.
The move follows reports from German beekeepers in the Baden-Württemberg region that two thirds of their bees died earlier this month following the application of a pesticide called clothianidin.

"It's a real bee emergency," said Manfred Hederer, president of the German Professional Beekeepers' Association. "50-60% of the bees have died on average and some beekeepers have lost all their hives."Tests on dead bees showed that 99% of those examined had a build-up of clothianidin. The chemical, produced by Bayer CropScience, a subsidiary of the German chemical giant Bayer, is sold in Europe under the trade name Poncho. It was applied to the seeds of sweetcorn planted along the Rhine this spring. The seeds are treated in advance of being planted or are sprayed while in the field.

The company says an application error by the seed company which failed to use the glue-like substance that sticks the pesticide to the seed, led to the chemical getting into the air.Bayer spokesman Dr Julian Little told the BBC's Farming Today that misapplication is highly unusual. "It is an extremely rare event and has not been seen anywhere else in Europe," he said.
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Hopefully this will help save the Bee
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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:35 PM
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1. US EPA data on Poncho 600
Edited on Wed May-28-08 12:36 PM by patriotvoice
"... Clothianidin has the potential for toxic chronic exposure to honey bees, as well as other non-target pollinators, through the translocation of clothianidin residues in nectar and pollen."

http://www.epa.gov/opprd001/factsheets/clothianidin.pdf

On edit: I am a certified NC bee keeper, so I keep up with this. Thanks for the link!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:58 PM
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6. Where are all those naysayers that pesticides were not
the culprits or participating in Bee death tolls???

All of a sudden they have gone quiet:popcorn: It took 50=60% be deaths to ban the chemicals

that it took this long is going to be shown as the Biggest Crime cause now over the years its in the soil and it doesn't go away either
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:06 PM
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7. Why is it the Germans seem to figure out the problem right away
but we couldn't? Don't tell me let me guess - Republican's and their usual diligence in government.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:33 PM
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10. AFTER the French figured it out, btw.
Ban is already in place in France.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:21 PM
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14. Yes and it took the people protesting to do it
but they did ban it... Scientists are going into these abandoned hives and analysing whats in there and they see lots of chemicals
its so bad that no other animal or insect wants to steal it

Their now worried that a combination of chemicals is causing a toxin

the Bee is the canary in the coal mine
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:38 PM
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15. Yup, strictly controlled in France for over 10 years
I will say this. Huge monoculture agribusiness farms that have to truck in bees are the real cause of the problem. On smaller family farms that have a mix of crops, most pollination is done by wild bees that don't live in hives. It is our dependence on the honey bee (because they pollinate AND produce honey) was just a disaster waiting to happen. It doesn't help that some beekeepers have turned to feeding their hives with HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP.:eyes: Thankfully, bees have a short life span and if they get the hive death problem solved, we can get the populations back up in a matter of months.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:54 PM
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16. wtf? they feed bees corn syrup?
that sounds about as healthy as feeding cows ground up downers. :eyes:
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:48 PM
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25. Yup, it's cheaper than sugar
which is why it's used in so many prepared foods. Some beekeepers use HFCS and water instead of sugar water.
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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:11 PM
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22. It's standard practice to feed bees...
especially over winter, when hives are most susceptible to freezing. However, feed is usually sugar water (2:1), not high fructose corn syrup. High fructose is not recommended because it marginalizes sucrose, which is vital to a hive. Incidentally, small dose manganese supplement increases foraging and therefore production: that's smarter than HFCS.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:22 AM
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27. I guess I never even thought
about that, I know so little about bees, except that they are so important. Thanks for the info. :hi:
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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:51 PM
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12. Colony-Collapse Disorder (CCD)
Based on the research to date, it seems that the most likely CCD agents are parasite or fungus (both persistent problems for bees), but to say those are the root cause is -- in my opinion -- false. Bees (like frogs) are very sensitive to environmental factors, and I certainly suspect pesticide and transgenic plants have combined to weaken bees, making action by parasitic or fungal vectors more pronounced.

A colony is, structurally, really quite susceptible to chain-reactions, as damage to the queen initiates multiple competing responses within the body. Combine a weakened queen with weakened drones and the whole body falls to predatory neighbors, including other bees. Typically you only see this in an isolated hive (or group of hives) where a known vector can be established: for example, poor cleaning practices that transfer a mite or fungus from one hive to another. But the widespread nature of the collapse certainly, to me, indicates a less endemic problem than is explainable by a single vector. Pesticides and transgenic crops certainly then, to me, play a big role in this disorder.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:11 PM
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20. Heres the Haagen Das commercial
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:52 AM
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24. Imidacloprid (mentioned in the OP link) is an ingredient in so many ag & home & pet pesticides
Edited on Thu May-29-08 12:54 AM by JoeIsOneOfUs
If it turns out many neonicotinoids contribute to CCD, this will be huge. And a big problem in that these are safer compounds in many ways compared to earlier generation pesticides.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:36 PM
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2. if the bees go, we go
this stuff scares the shit out of me
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:44 PM
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3. No kidding. Industry just takes and takes. Shut them DOWN! n/t
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:49 PM
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4. Good on Germany
Why I love my new country!

Hopefully researchers are getting closer to finding the real cause of CCD.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:53 PM
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5. When you get 50-60% Bee deaths you are heading for
extinction ...germany HAD to do something

Clothianidin, like the other neonicotinoid pesticides that have been temporarily suspended in Germany, is a systemic chemical that works its way through a plant and attacks the nervous system of any insect it comes into contact with. According to the US environmental protection agency it is "highly toxic" to honeybees.

Just wondering WHEN AMERICA will do the same
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:18 PM
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8. turn bayer the hell off!!!!!!!
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:22 PM
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9. Weren't they the guys that made the "stuff" during WWII?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:12 PM
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13. that I don't know. I know the krups family made the gas chambers.
I always associated bayer with aspirin....
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:13 PM
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17. Ah, here we go....not gas but "stuff" indeed!
http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/01/27a.php

For years an Auschwitz survivor has tried to win compensation from the pharmaceutical giant that carried out medical experiments on her. Now living in Dundee, she tells her story in a BBC documentary.

Zoe Polanska Palmer never imagined she would survive Dr Mengele's experiments in Auschwitz. Nor did her German doctors. Like thousands of other children, she was destined to be gassed once her usefulness to Nazi science had ceased.

During her two years at the camp, 13-year-old Zoe was forced to take tablets and pills as part of a series of pharmacological experiments, believed to be part of early birth control tests. But Zoe refused to die. Saved by a Russian doctor who evacuated her to Dachau, she recovered and eventually settled in Scotland.

Now in her early 70s, she has been fighting for compensation and an apology from the German drug manufacturer, Bayer.

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:09 PM
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18. Jesus!
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:04 PM
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21. Wrong, Krupp, not Krups
As in ThyssenKrupp, but I'm not even sure if they made those either. I thought Krupp just used Nazi forced labor in his businesses and was convicted after the war and went to jail for a few years. :shrug:

Anyhow, Krups definitely did not make the chambers.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:44 PM
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11. Stephen Colbert warned us....
Bayer's are the enemy.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:06 PM
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19. Ya know whats scary where does this honey go thats got
all these chemicals in the hive go???

It makes me wonder
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:23 AM
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28. probably into us
we try to buy local organic honey. But who knows if the chemical lurks in that? :shrug:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:14 AM
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23. These pesticides are so nasty.
When I worked at the Home Depot, I hated having to be in the pesticide aisle, because it stunk and made me feel lightheaded and head-achey. There was a pregnant worker in the same department, who quit right after miscarrying. Maybe if she had quit earlier in her pregnancy, she'd have a baby today.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:56 PM
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26. Wheres America and Congress???
they just going to let Bees keep dying

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