PBS Bill Moyers' Journal: Impeachment Panel Excerpt

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First five minutes of Bill Fein and John Nichols speaking with Bill Moyers.

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...it's coming from that Washington Times POS.

Back in the 1980's, we would have said they are a bunch of Squids, anyone else here ever use that one?:shrug:

Sure wish I could have seen this one, but the 2 Atlanta PBS Stations have conspired NOT to show this show every week and NOT to show it in Prime-Time when they do show it. The F*ckers at Atlanta Public Broadcasting PBA30 say, they have an agreement with GPB (Georgia Public Broadcasting) NOT to show it so that GPB can show it exclusively.

Yet, GPB has doesn't show it in it's regular time slot either, they moved it to the middle of Sunday Afternoon! A time when almost nobody is looking for a show like this one, and some weeks, they don't show it at all! Even I forget to watch it some times, because it's not on every week!

I'm sorry, but that sure sound like a conspiracy to me, no theory needed.

Anyone know when the video is usually posted? Saturday P.M.? Sunday A.M? :shrug:

Saturday A.M., apparently.

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The most important is the last item because it demonstrates the use of intimidation tactics against our own intelligence for political purposes. Not only were we lied into going to war, but propaganda was being utilized at the deepest levels.

Every voter should have to watch this before voting. The constitution is all that separates us from insanity.

and John Nichols. The future of our country is at stake was the main point and impeachment of junior and dick should begin at once.

Please try to see this discourse, it was very powerful.

"When Clinton was impeached, nearly 500 distinguished American historians, including Arthur Schlesinger Jr. and C. Vann Woodward, signed a letter publicly deploring the impeachment on historical and constitutional grounds. Soon thereafter, a group of more than 400 leading legal scholars, including Cass Sunstein and Laurence Tribe, issued a similar statement."

So Bill is talking to a guy we know to be bogus.

(But thanks for the comments on how cowardly Congress is. I hadn't heard anyone here say that for several minutes...OK, several seconds.)

...for lying under oath?

Bill Clinton was far from perfect, but he did nothing which required that he be impeached. He was caught in a perjury trap after a 60 million dollar witch hunt failed to turn up a shread of evidence that he had done wrong in the Whitewater affair. Kenneth Star grabbed at the sex scandle because he HAD to have something to show for his slimey, vindictive persecution of the President.

Bush, on the other hand, is criminal to the marrow. He lied us into a catastrophic war just so his corporate handlers could make a few billion dollars, shredded the constitution with the Patriot Act, and stole two elections. And that's just for starters. If you think Clinton deserved to be impeached, what on earth do think Bush deserves...?

try answering the question. or, failing that, you could shut the fuck up.

He replied PERFECTLY.

Oh, and Clinton DIDN'T "LIE", DIDN'T "COMMIT PERJURY" - look it up - stop spewing REPUKE LIES...

...i do not spew repuke lies.

now answer the question or shut the fuck up.

I watched these guys last night. They both made absolute sense. If I heard correctly, Mr. Fein wrote up the article of impeachment for perjury in the Clinton imbroglio. Although I agreed with the Schlesingers, et al, that lying about personal sexual behavior does not constitute high crimes or misdemeanors and Clinton's behavior did not threaten our way of government...the fact remains, he did commit perjury. I'm not going to blame the legal hotshot(and purist, clearly), Mr. Fein, who actually wrote the article. It was up to Delay's House to determine Clinton's impeachability. Delay and his pals are the culprits here. THEM I blame!
Please watch this clip. Both men make irrefutable arguments about the importance of impeaching both Bush and Cheney...NOW. I really don't care what their differing political ideologies are..they are both clearly concerned about the country and our government and are enormously fearful of the precedents Dubya and Unca Dick have already set for an imperial presidency.

near as serious as what the current cabal has done.

To hell with partisanship--my country is at stake here.

made total sense. Every vertebrate in this country should see this Moyer's Journal. And don't forget, even Jonathan Turley, whose face I could see at the Clinton trial (watch carefully), thought Clinton should have been impeached. Can we get past Clinton?

...just may end up as catch phrase for this next election

Web definitions for invertebrate

An animal without a backbone, such as an insects.

Thanks for posting the link to the whole show. Plan to watch that later in the day because I would like to hear more from John Nichols.

The genius of impeachment is that this act by Dems in Congress will actually SAVE the GOP. Consider what will happen to them should Dems acquire the WhiteHouse in '08 with the kind of sweeping powers that Bush is now using behindthescenes. Do R's really want to be spied upon etc without recourse ? Are they THAT stupid ? Better to impeach now and remain a viable political party.

If impeachment starts now then how are all the budget bills going to be passed?

It is all coming to a head. There is only so much stonewalling a congress can take.
It is as if the WH is asking for a showdown and they think the supreme court will save them, i guess.

Do we want to be at war with ourselves and in another country. Is there a push to create anarchy and anger leading to uncontrollability and the imposition of a police state?

Keep a level head. Approach carefully and deliberately the problems of power, just as the congress is doing. Is fine by me.

I also watched the program. It really hit me hard when I realized just what impeachment is to be used for. SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION AND PROTECT THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE 3 BRANCHES OF OUR GOVERNMENT ! If we don't impeach Bush and Cheney then I am packing it up and moving to B.C. and shaking the dust off of my feet when I leave!

in a room together and not only can they refrain from shouting at each other, they can present their ideas ratioanlly, understandably, and calmly--and hold my rapt attention for a solid hou with no commercials.

BTW, MSM; I exemplify pretty much the ideal target audience for news programs.

Exceptional program. Thank you.

It was definitely the best program I've seen in eons. Now to get the word out!

ask them the question that Nichols and Fein said to ask -- "Do you love your country more than party and wining the next election?" If they respond "Yes!" to that quesiton we then need to say, "So when will you fulfill the oath of office you took to defend the Constitution and begin impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney?" Nothing short of Bush and Cheney publicly repenting of their power grab and vowing to obey the laws of this land should stop the impeachment process.

the Constitutional crisis fomented by the Bush/Cheney cartel, aided and abetted by Tony "The Fixer" Scalia who also should be impeached after being tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

Kicked and posted all over.
Everybody do your part!

The Democrats may be invertebrates, but we, the people, are their commanding officers and we can make them do what they are supposed to do.
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and I'm pretty sure I came in my pants. That is how deprived I have been for somebody to make some fucking sense. Finally, some common fucking sense. I can't tell you how insane I have been over this cartoon nation. Come one people. Arise, stand up, and stay up. What a relief to see this program. I could watch it ten times and hang on every word. Like a torrential rain in the droughted desert. Please, please let it come to life. Let the common sense voiced in the program come to life.

It was supposed to read, "Come on people." Not, "Come one people."

Subject: We often say Bush should admit mistakes and change course.

Dear Mrs. Speaker Pelosi,

We often say Bush should admit mistakes he has made, reconsider, and change course. It would be exactly hypocritical of us not to apply the same standard of behavior to ourselves.

Try as I might, I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt on the reasoning as to why you made the illegal and absurd maneuver of 'taking impeachment off the table'. It was an absolutely heinous thing to do. It is difficult for me to express to you in civilized terms how gutted I feel in your doing so. I feel robbed, stripped of power as an American citizen, castrated and muzzled. It is like betrayal from those who are supposed to be on your side. Impeachment is a tool that belongs to the American people, not to you, and you cannot, and should not try, to take it away from us. Every system must have a release, a reset mechanism, and impeachment is an essential one in our government.

After the whole Bill Clinton debacle, you may be afraid of the word and the action of impeachment, but I am not. The Clinton episode may have left you and others with a lingering feeling of adversity toward impeachment. But that is an emotional mistake and folly. Maybe Bill deserved to be impeached. Maybe he did not. The republicans made the decision on that one. But whatever decision republicans have made in the past, in no way shape or form, exempts you from your duties as a United States Congresswoman, Speaker of the House, member of a body of government whose duty it is to check the power of the executive branch. Put another way, no you don't have anything better to do. This is at least as critical as any of the other funtastic legislation you may be considering, it cuts to the heart, soul and core of the way life in this country will proceed.

Whatever political calculus was involved in your single handedly castrating the American people in 'taking impeachment off the table', be it to act above the fray, be the bigger person (how did that work out for John Kerry?), be the adult, to not be distracted with retribution, or because of fears that it will tear the country apart, that it will give the rethuglicans strength, etc. etc.-- whatever the reasoning that brought you to that action, I am telling you now from the bottom of my heart, it is wrong at this time. It is very very wrong at this time. We need strength. We need competence. The two are inextricably intertwined. You cannot be competent without strength. And you cannot be strong without competence. Do not make the mistake of thinking that your great brilliance and competence can compensate for a lack in strength. 'Taking impeachment off the table' (it is such a rediculous concept, I cannot bring myself to state it without putting it in quotes, it makes my spine shiver- yes, this Liberal has a spine) made our position so weak, tactically and in perception, that I am furious about it. Simply furious.

By the time you read this letter, and I really hope you do read this letter, you will have undoubtedly seen the Bill Moyers special on impeachment. But if you haven't, or if you haven't watched it enough times to get the message clearly, here it is. You make me feel like an idiot and a sucker for having passionately supported the democrats. Please, be what the Rethuglicans cannot. Be decent enough to recognize an err of your own, reconsider, and correct it.

TOUGH TALK ON IMPEACHMENT

In Grave Sincerity,
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By the way: Good work on the minimum wage bill.

...and watch all four parts of the July 13th video of his program featuring John Nichols and Bruce Fein plus Moyer re and post commentaries. It becomes clearer and clearer that we must have the impeachment debate in congress as soon as possible for ALL OF THE REASONS these distinguished gentlemen outlined. I hope that members of both sides of the isles in the House and the senate take time to invite these men to discuss this, but most certainly the Democratic leaders and members who have the responsibility to save our republic and our democracy from the tyranny of a monarchical executive which most certainly has been made into that under Bush/Cheney.

Both Bush and Cheney must be impeached now, brought before congress to face charges against them of their impeachable offenses and either admit their wrong doing and atone and agree to change their ways, or be forced from office and face the more serious charges and potential prosecution for treason and abuse of power against the United States of America.

Now is the time for congress to act, put politics aside and put the country and our democracy first. :kick: