Third Parties SUCK! - Chris Matthews (Must See!)

Run time: 02:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Z_zQtS3AA   Posted on YouTube: April 15, 2010 By YouTube Member: FixedNewsChannel Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: April 15, 2010 By DU Member: apples and oranges Views on DU: 1817

 
He gives us all a history lesson on how so many people voted third party in 1980, giving us Reagan. We also lost a seat for 30 years due to third party purists.

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The Status Quo sucks! Long Live the Status Quo!

well thanks for letting us know where you stand Mr. Matthews you magnificent tool.

Of course it could not possibly be that our "winner takes all" system is woefully unrepresentative, and let's not forget about the fact that in the US we still "elect" a president indirectly via such an undemocratic institution as the Electoral College. Nah, it could not possible be the same system which keeps useless pundits like you employed.

It's not the third party that is evil. It's the electoral college. IMHO.

Matthews is an unprincipled meat puppet flickering on a screen. Why would anyone take him seriously?

neo-cons now. Compare them to the pols of the '60's. Unless we can figure out a way to start a VIABLE third party that is representative of the "bottom" 95% of Americans, we will keep getting fucked worse...

It's all Ralph Nader's fault that the Democrats in the Senate and Congress
1. Legitimized the Bush 'wins' in the 2000 and the 2004 election
2. Went along with signing the Patriot Act
3. Approved the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
4. Haven't held the Bush Administration accountable for wiretapping, torturing and other hight crimes and misdemeanors
5. Approved Supreme Court Justices Alito and Roberts
6. etc. , etc., etc.

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It's far easier to come up with a political scapegoat than to recognize the incestuous, rotting, systemic failures of the present two-party system.

I am one of those who will never forget how hard he worked to get Bush elected.

Trashed Gore whenever he could.

And then was "shocked" at how Bush lead us into two wars.

If the democrats would spend less time dumping on a little guy like Nader and more time dumping on, oh, I don't know, the obstructionist republican assholes clogging up the system, they'd have more to brag about come election day and little guys like Nader wouldn't be a threat.

For the most part I agree with Tweety rant, the 2000 election is proof of that Ralph Nader told the lie of there was no difference between Al Gore and George W.Bush the media picked up on it and some on the left were glad to repeat it. The problem for me is if Ralph Nader cares about what's going on why doesn't he run for other offices instead of running for president every four years?

Until someone has the courage to finally install run off voting or change the electoral college we're stuck with the two party system and like it or not voting for a third party is going to help the Republicans.

than he used to be is why.


hes defeated angry and bitter as hell.
hes made things be about himself.

lost his way im afraid.


i do feel his pain though to a degree, it becomes trying sometimes to stay within the fold of the party and induce a lot of change from within..

i really dont think its appropriate to say nader made gore lose...obviously if nader hadnt ran he probably would have one... but regardless it turned into a giant horrible fraud of an election in florida... and thats what cost al gore the election. voter fraud.

we can never forget that it occurred, regardless of how you feel about ralph nader and his current self loathing existence.

In the 2000 election, a dozen things had to go wrong to cost Gore victory. The most glaring was the interference by the SCOTUS. Then you have the scrubbing of voter rolls of poor and minority voters, people lying about election day, "challenges" at polling places, etc. Oh, yeah, then the millions of people voting for Bush because Gore's campaign was lousy.

Out of all of that, you can only see that third parties need to be barred from entry at all?

Do you know how weak that makes Democrats look? "Oh, hell, we can't win a fair fight, let's go pick on Nader." How about this: if you want the people who voted for Nader to vote for Democrats, why not get the Democrats to EARN those votes? Forcing those people to vote for Democrats by taking away their preferred option is cowardly, unethical, and counter to what democrats supposedly stand for.

I don't especially like Nader, but I especially don't like bullshit.

We are the only "civilized" :rofl: nation with a "two party system.":wtf: We all know that it is now a one party system, the party of corporatism. I would love to see Sanders, Kucinich, Grayson,,,etc.. start a peoples party. If nothing else, it would force the Democrats to the left. BTW, we are not the greatest country on earth, unless of course you are very wealthy...

So Chris Matthews should support Instant Runoff Voting because it enables extra parties as well as the the will of the voters.

The problem isn't 3rd parties but rather how people's true feelings aren't enabled by the two party "all or nothing" voting system.

Bring on democracy, bring on IRV!

So, third parties are only bad if they take the voters on the fringe of you party.

If a candidate really inspires the base of his or her party, the people who are very excited about politics prior to an election, then third party upstarts don't have a chance.

That kind of revisionism is silly

Torture
Wiretappping
Afghan Cluster Fuck - A literal river of blood from innocent men, women and children who don't give a fuck about USA other than as a massive buyer of their opium products.
No Accountability for Iraq War Crimes
No Accountability for Wall Street Crimes
A Stimulus Package Filled with Tax Credits and State Budget Bridge Funding and Minimal Investments in US Based New Technology and manufacturing
Union Busting Tactics and Attacking Teachers While Giving Wall Street a Walk
Privatization of Public Schools
Health Reform Written by Pharmaceutical Companies and Insurance Companies
(A Plan So Convoluted and inefficient that I still can't afford a health plan on my own because I am in middle class)
Outsourcing
H1B
Free Trade Agreements
Off shore drilling

These things aren't a fucking pony. Justice for torture, war, wiretapping, wall street IS NOT A FUCKING PONY. AND FUCK THE ALL CAPS POLICE.

After massive lay-offs and record bonuses for our exec staff, and being told that those left had to work twice as hard, we are told the strategy has been so successful that wall street is rewarding the exec staff and the cost cutting will continue meaning more lay-offs and we now work evenings and weekends on fixed salary with reduced benefits.

Obama has expended enormous amount of political capital winning the hearts and minds of republicans while his COS is calling liberals like me retarded and then asking me for money to support them. Fuck you, Emanuel you big dick.

In general, democrats took a hard right wing shift in order to scoop up all those "new" democrats while Obama continues to call liberals "those on the left" in a false equivalence to "those on the right". Today's democrat resembles the early Reagan neo-con. Its the worst of neo-con and neo-lib and I call them the neo-dems.

The neo-democrats are letting the right wing of both parties set the political direction for the country. Thei right wing of both parties let media outlets like fox, and wall street journal bludgeon us with the "message". The neo-dems just follow in the slip stream, conserving energy that would otherwise be wasted on liberal principals of justice and fairness and simply stay a tiny bit to the left - therefore being "centered".

I'm a liberal. I am hated by both parties. I have no representation, fuck democratic and republican leadership.

officeholders deserve a liberal vote. I too will no longer vote for the lesser of two evils. I will vote for viable third party candidates, but most importantly, I will vote to unseat all incumbents.

Europe doesn't have a 40-hour work week, and they don't have the same scale of executive self-dealing either. Why can't the American People have the lifestyle of Europeans?

into production while watching outsourced labor butcher job after job. Its like the saying at the all you can eat buffet - "the food's not very good but at least there is a lot of it..."

I am working harder and harder for less and less and I have zero representation in local or federal government. I am done being taken advantage of by the mainstream political parties.

Mainstream media doesn't want competition and neither do our two mainstream and converging political parties. Media and the two parties have a complete monopoly on information. They exist only to serve themselves and line their pockets with tax payer and corporate cash. Way, way, way down on the list of priorities is good government and general welfare of its citizens.

The mainstream parties have also made it nearly impossible for 3rd parties to get on a ballot. The rules are outrageous.

If I can show that I am unhappy with mainstream politics by voting 3rd party, I am only too happy to help.

To vote for their hand picked republicans or to vote for their hand picked democrats.

It's kind of like what if the corporations started paying billions of dollars for third party candidates and not democrats or republicans. Who do think would win?

My guess is the corporations...

People should encourage primaries of incumbents in their constituents are unsatisfied. I wonder which party Ralph Nader will run on in 2012...

Run time: 02:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Z_zQtS3AA   Posted on YouTube: April 15, 2010 By YouTube Member: FixedNewsChannel Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: April 15, 2010 By DU Member: dbmk Views on DU: 1817

 
In a two party system, third parties messes up representation, true.

If you have a party that consistently have 20% of the voters in every district across the nation you effectively might as well have 0%. And by running you might very well end up causing the representation to go to side that is opposite you, even if over 50% votes closer to your ideology.

Enabling a multiparty system that works in a country the size of the US might be relatively problematic as well, though.

Say the Democratic party are way ahead in polls then some breaking away to a third party is no bad thing. When price of a third party vote is allowing the GOP to get it well it's a big price. Besides I couldn't totally be down on third party candidates We'd never have Sen. Bernie Sanders and the mystifying Tea Party who may brings us a few victories this November by splitting the vote. I'm not saying anyone here should vote third party we're on the same team generally, just saying a free right if someone does. If we want change like we've never seen before it's got to be the Democratic party and sure they'll disappoint us realistically they can't give us everything at once why would we keep voting them if they did, but in the big picture they make the world a better place to live.

Painting all parties with broad brushes sucks even worse.
I welcome a radical right splinter party. Anything that dilutes the white bigot vote is a win win.

That really made sense. I'm sad to say that my dad voted to Alan Keyes (3rd party) in this past election and the reason for that is that Keyes is anti-gay. (Note--I'm not aniti-gay myself, though my dad tried to raise me that way. Just relaying this. Maybe it shows that some people vote 3rd party for just one minor issue.)