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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:17 AM
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Do Liberal Democrats Have A Chance Of Taking Over British Politics After Outright TV Debate Victory?
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 02:02 AM by Turborama
 
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Clegg smashes through two-party system

By Andrew Grice, Nigel Morris and Tom Mendelsohn

Nick Clegg broke the duopoly in British politics with a strong performance in last night’s historic first televised election debate between the three main party leaders.

The Liberal Democrat leader seized the moment by matching Gordon Brown and David Cameron blow for blow during 90 minutes of lively exchanges which confounded expectations that the 76 strict rules of engagement would produce a sterile discussion.

A ComRes poll for ITV News found that 43 per cent of viewers believed Mr Clegg won the debate, well ahead of Mr Cameron on 26 per cent and Mr Brown on 20 per cent. A YouGov survey for The Sun gave the Lib Dem leader an even bigger margin of victory – 51 per cent, with the Tory leader on 29 per cent and the Prime Minister on 19 per cent.

Bookmakers immediately cut their odds on a hung parliament and even a Lib Dem victory.

Lord (Paddy) Ashdown, the former Lib Dem leader, said the public had seen the "real Nick Clegg" for the first time. "He walked away with it,” he said. "This debate has shown the Nick Clegg the House of Commons refuses to allow people to see with their bullying and their shouting. For the first time we now have the public able to see the real Nick Clegg and they love it."

Full article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/clegg-smashes-through-twoparty-system-1946273.html


The Sun is a Murdoch tabloid which is backing the Conservatives and it's notable that even their poll ranks Clegg as the undeniable winner in this debate.

Also posted in GD by Newsjock: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8158403

The debate in four parts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz2MY4jD_vw">Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faW4G3HTDA0">Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1JkMQo2ePk">Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znlrnG7h34k">Part 4



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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:35 AM
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1. is there a link to a video of the entire debate? n/t
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:50 AM
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2. Yes.
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 01:54 AM by Turborama
Your question prompted me to look for it and I've added a link to the OP

I haven't watched it yet and am interested to see how Clegg performed. A Liberal Democrat win in their election would be seismic shift in British politics.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:20 AM
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3. thanks for posting the links too - truth wins

amazing how putting the truth out there seems to drive away the idiots

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:02 AM
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4. People I follow on Twitter were paying close attention to it.
As were @JulietCap16 and @LawrenceFriar of http://www.SuchTweetSorrow.com. That was...weird.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:05 AM
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17. Well UK Twitterers like me couldn't get away from it.
Use the #ukelection, #ge2010 and #ge10 hashtags to find out more about the general election, or just gawp at the various partisans being petty.
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Rage Inc. Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:37 AM
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5. According to Rasmussen.....
...Liz Cheney won the debate!
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:59 AM
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6. Well there's not much chance of them winning the elections
They are the 3rd party when all is said and done. That said, if the other 2 parties don't win enough seats for an outright majority in parliament the Lib Dems will hold the balance of power.

Their thread in the UK forum is here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=191x29567
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:27 AM
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7. No, in a word.
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 05:31 AM by non sociopath skin
The system is against it, the LibDems have no clear power-base and their policies are too much in the nature of promising all things to all men.

If no party has a clear majority they will have some influence as power-brokers. But don't get too excited, O American Cousins - though the LibDems are left of centre by US standards, they're by no means radicals - think Blue Dog Democrats. They're just as likely to go to bed with the Conservatives as with Labour, and have happily done so in several UK local authorities.

My own County Council here is run by a LibDem minority authority with Conservative support and is slashing community facilities for the elderly and the less well off like there's no tomorrow.

The Skin
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:33 AM
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8. may I ask your opinion?
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 05:35 AM by Douglas Carpenter
Under "New Labour" (see I spelled it correctly) can the current Labour Party still be seen as being to the left of the Liberal Democrats?
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:48 AM
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9. That was my next question,
Are the "liberal democrats" actually a progressive party? I know that (usually in politics) doublespeak can mean anything. I am not familiar with British politics. If they are like our bluedogs... Britain is screwed.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:57 AM
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10. When they feel like it
Traditionally they are in the middle between Tories and Labour. Labour's move to the right during the Blair years resulted in them being to the left of Labour but under Clegg they have moved rightwards.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:13 AM
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12. I am uninformed on Britain's parties.
I thought Brown was a Labour member. What party does he represent?
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:26 AM
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13. Brown is Labour
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 07:27 AM by T_i_B
He took over from Tony Blair and to be honest, I don't think Labour has become all that much more progressive under Brown.

In fact one of Labour's big problems is that they failed to "renew" themselves after Blair left and they seem pretty much out of puff. Far too much of Labour's campaign seems to be scaremongering about the other parties, rather then being positive about themselves.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:49 PM
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18. Then, is Labour
still the more progressive of the three? You said Clegg has taken lib/dems to the right. Honestly, it seems that all parties would seek to be progressive or at least claim to be. What voter (except 5% here) wouldn't want to hear that their party puts people before profits? What a crazy, bribed world we live in. Obviously, unfettered capitalism is a monster.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 05:30 AM
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20. Let's just say that it's an uninspiring choice
Lib Dems are marginally to the left of Labour, but to be honest none of the candidates in my constituency are what I would call "progressive". :-(
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 08:22 AM
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21. Yep, the elites hold frequent "summits"
to insure they stay in power. No party distinction there, just money and power...just like the good ol' USA
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:33 AM
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15. From what I understand they voted against the Iraq war
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 07:34 AM by Turborama
and are strong on civil liberties, electoral reform and environmental issues.

That makes them quite progressive, in my book.

I've read some DUers comparing the Conservative party with the Democratic party. Also, that Labour and the Liberal Democrats would be on the fringe left of the American political spectrum. Are those comparisons correct, in your view?
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:42 AM
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16. This one is a fair assessment
I've read some DUers comparing the Conservative party with the Democratic party. Also, that Labour and the Liberal Democrats would be on the fringe left of the American political spectrum. Are those comparisons correct, in your view?

I think that's a fair assessment. US and UK politics are not an exact fit, however much some people might want that to be the case
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Beako Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:04 AM
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11. Someone should make a video comparing UK debate to US debate
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:27 AM
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14. it's funny that even without knowing all the players, you can tell who are the 'players'

mirror held up to ourselves, that is what I saw - thanks again for the posting
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:36 PM
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19. Nick Clegg now in contention as potential Prime Minister, Guardian/ICM poll shows
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 01:45 PM by Turborama
Could be a historic election in Britain this year...




Boost for Lib Dems as ComRes survey shows Nick Clegg's party gaining 14 points among those who watched last night's TV debate

Julian Glover and Hélène Mulholland
guardian.co.uk, Friday 16 April 2010 14.33 BST


Nick Clegg has surged into contention as a potential prime minister, according to a Guardian/ICM poll carried out following last night's TV leaders' debate.

A quarter of voters who watched the three leaders on the ITV programme say they will switch their vote, with most changing to the Liberal Democrats.

=snip=



Among those voters who had watched the debate, the surge in Lib Dem support was more dramatic: up 14 points to 35%, only a shade behind the Conservatives on 36%, who were down three. Labour languished in third place, at 24%, also down three.

=snip=

According to the ICM poll for the Guardian, Clegg appears to have won the affections of voters across the board. He now runs Brown neck and neck as the man voters think would make the best prime minister, 29% to 29%. Cameron remains just ahead on 33%.

Full article (some interesting feedback in the comments below it, too): http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/16/nick-clegg-guardian-icm-poll-pm
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Bert Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 06:37 PM
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22. Good
Hopefully the lib dems can take it and form a government with labor as the shadow governemnt and take the conservatives out entirely. I have followed british politics long enough and closely enough to know that Brown is a weakling who not only enabled Blair and is tainted by him but has been shifting right at every opportunity. I would take it as a victory if the lib dems came in merely second ahead of labour. I personally will never forgive blair or probably labor and would welcome a government in britain that would stand on it's own without having to adhere to the America's every whim, good or bad.
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