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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 08:27 PM
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Obama's National Security Adviser General James Jones and the Jewish joke: what was he thinking?
 
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General James Jones and the Jewish joke: what was he thinking?

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Barack Obama’s national security adviser General James Jones has apologised for a joke about a Jewish trader and a member of the Taliban which the Anti-Defamation League described as “inappropriate” and reinforcing stereotypes of Jews as mean and greedy.

Jokes are often in the eye of the beholder. Though it drew laughter at the time, some of those present were offended, as the Daily Forward reported. Some bloggers saw it as blatantly prejudiced. Here’s a summary:

A Taliban militant gets lost and is wandering around the desert looking for water. He finally arrives at a store run by a Jew and asks for water. The Jewish vendor tells him he doesn’t have any water but can gladly sell him a tie. The Taliban curses the storeowner, his country and his people. The Jew, unmoved, offers the rude militant an idea: over the hill there is a restaurant that will sell you all the water you want. An hour later the Taliban is back. He tells the merchant: “Your brother tells me I need a tie to get into the restaurant.”

You can see it here. Why did he do this? Jones knows Israel; he made his comments among many Jewish people at the pro-Israel, Likud-leaning Washington Institute for Near East Policy. There can have been no intention to offend. Perhaps he thought that he was among friends who would tolerate him poking fun at their people. Perhaps he thought the joke was on the Taliban. Perhaps his critics are right and he just didn’t realise he was being anti-Semitic.

Whatever, it was very poor judgment on his part. For a top aide to be so clumsy at a time of high tension between Washington and Jerusalem is alarming.

The golden rule about ethnic jokes is they should only be told by a member of the minority concerned. Gen Jones should stick to jokes about the officer’s mess.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 08:30 PM
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1. Tsk! Ttsk!! Just kidding
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 08:34 PM
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2. That joke or whatever was sent to me a year ago by a freeper.
I didn't think it was funny then, either
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 08:40 PM
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3. Am I the only one who doesn't find it offensive?
There are just not that many good Taliban jokes that don't offend anybody.
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DRex Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 08:51 PM
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5. I laughed.
I've heard far worse. And I don't think it's told with any malice.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 08:56 PM
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7. Maybe I would have thought it was funny if it had been sent by an
Edited on Mon Apr-26-10 08:59 PM by Bobbieo
Israeli Muslim. The person who sent it is against Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Muslims, Catholics and the Irish.
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:43 PM
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11. I don't find it offensive
And I've heard that joke with many different protagonists/deuteragonists over the years. I do however find his delivery offensive. Get some damn confidence!
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 08:41 PM
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4. And the IRONY...
...is that the freeps are trying to express their OUTRAGE over the joke because it was delivered by a member of the Obama administration.

It's one of those "why the hell didn't he KNOW better" moments, but in terms of it providing an opportunity for the freeps to take the moral high ground, that's even more ridiculous than the fact that he told the joke in the first place. It was just last week that they were all high-fiving themselves over that Photoshopped "Obama in a pimp suit" pic.

They can't have it both ways, but they're stupid enough to think they CAN.

:patriot:
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 09:32 PM
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9. I don't think it's funny either. Its only point is to suggest the stereotype.
I'm Jewish. It doesn't ring true; my friends and family don't do things like that.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 09:35 PM
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10. Figures
Jews don't have a good sense of humor.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 08:52 PM
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6. Funny joke. Wrong venue. Cool on the golf course or in the company of friends,
in public as a representative of our country, NO. Bad judgment, General.

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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 09:28 PM
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8. I laughed & I've heard it from a Jewish friend a long time ago.
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Loudmxr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 12:06 AM
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12. I heard the same joke. Between a Tajik and a Pashtun. It makes more sense when its local.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 04:17 PM
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13. Inappropriate and bad judgment on his part.
There is a time and place for almost everything, this was not one of them.
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