Cornell West Schools Ed Schultz On How Obama Is NOT On The Side Of Working Class People

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Dr. Cornell West

http://www.cornelwest.com/


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May 17, 2011 MSNBC
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Now everyone can see West embarrass himself followed by Dr. Perry's smack down.

by Melissa Harris Perry.

Lilly Ledbetter, appointing 2 moderate liberal justices, working on marijuana laws. Oh please. Tell me the bar's a little higher than that. I respect Ms. Perry and Dr. West both. But, as much as she claims Obama has done to help the poor, there are umpteen examples of how he hasn't.

And he was royally pissed that 'Brother Obama' dissed him after he became President. He's voiced concerns before on some of the President's policies, but this rant was personal. He came off as a desparate hanger-on who didn't get into the hip nightclub. He soft-pedalled a bit on Ed's show, but Melissa Harris-Perry had the right angle on his fit of pique.

All these attacks on Cornel West using the same argument: his supposed ego, are funny: all in lock step, almost like reading from a script.

Come on guys, at least be creative, or try to be minimally unique with the ad hominems.

maybe there's another explanation, hmm?

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adverted.. The destruction of the middle class...

Okay.... 1) signed Lilly Ledbetter, 2) appointed 2 moderate liberal justices, 3) went after marijuana laws. Is that it? Did we think he WOULDN'T do those things? Isn't that like the LEAST a Democratic President should do? Just how low is the bar these days for a Democrat in the White House, or is that all you have to be? If Obama was a Republican, I could see giving him huge kudos for bucking his party by doing those 3 things. But he's not a Republican. Those 3 should be a given, i'm sorry, no cigar.

The fact that Obama doesn't trip over it and fall on his face is the great improvement from the last administration.

ones I have to take into account, being generally a supporter of Dr. West. On the other hand, to assert that West hasn't made an argument here is silly. He certainly has made an argument, and there are other points he could be making (i.e. Obama's hostility to Ed. unions and pro-charter school policies, his total lack of support for Wisconsin).

but he doesn't really say why he feels the way he does.

but if you choose not to listen, that's on you.

of the video, but the rest of his speech was just opinions. He couldn't even win a high school debate with that speech.

on what is said right here, I could agree. But his larger argument, much of which does not appear in this video, presents a much stronger case.

But as I said, I think Harris-Perry makes strong points. The racial angle that West argues is counter-productive. It's inflammatory and gets attention but it adds nothing. Obama works for the banks, works for the multinationals, but not the people. Making the black puppet argument is just adding a layer of nastiness that isn't called for or helpful.

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as long as they maintain a slave mentality, presumably, they are okey dokey with the Prez.

I didn't realize that was a threat to the President, but I see it clearly now. I am half-black, too. and I get what Dr. West is saying. It's not something, I guess, that can be explained in a 2 minute interview if you haven't lived with that dilemma. Being black but raised by non-blacks. It IS different. Feeling rejected by your black father. Oh yeah. There's real deep stuff there. If you don't understand it, I guess you don't understand it. But I get where Dr. West. coming from and, for the most part, I have to agree.

I thought my meaning was clear.

Oy. We are going nowhere fast. Lilly Ledbetter, YAAAY!!!

The whole "critic of Obama = racist" works only when a white is doing the whole criticizing thing, given that Cornel West is a fairly prominent black intellectual... that red herring approach does not compute that good.


LOL.

Ed just absolutely ignores everything Dr. West says and then Mrs. Perry brings up shit that has nothing to do with what West was talking about.

They both refuse to address West's main premise about Obama's perpetuation of the military industrial complex and his support for wall street and failed neo-liberal trade policies that hurt the poor and middle class in this country.

Ed and Mrs. Perry, much like many people on this site, trot out this tired old list of accomplishments as if simply saying it over and over again will make people forget about all the policies of Obama's that are simply wrong.

Repeating how great the repeal of DADT and the Lily Ledbetter Act were, doesn't change the fact that Tim Geithner is the treasury secretary. It doesn't change the fact that Obama supports the war in Afghanistan. It doesn't change the fact that his support for free-trade policies is destroying our economy.

Ed or Mrs. Perry also play the whole "unreasonable leftie" card as if West is getting angry that Obama did not achieve everything he wanted in only two years. West disagrees with Obama's policies, its not about what Obama did or did not achieve, it is about what Obama's position is on certain policies.

Every time people sing the praises of Obama, they drag out Lilly Ledbetter, just like the Republicans drag out the corpse of Ronald Reagan. Getting old.

Talks about rights for all people women, Blacks, hispanics and so on. She didn't mention all, but she wasn't given the full air time that West was given.

My Lord, this woman has just reached into my head and spoken EXACTLY how I feel about all of this. West's behavior lately is nothing short of mortifying -- almost to the point where you have to begin to wonder about his health.

Cornel West didn't school anyone in this clip. This clip will become known as the clip in which Perry likens his behavior to that of birthers -- freaking BIRTHERS. And the scary part is that her comparison is entirely appropriate.

I like and respect both of them, but she didn't address the neglect of the poor and working class. Instead she went ad hominem herself. Wonder why. How sad.

and I'm glad that she did it. His idiotic comment that the president hasn't met once with the CBC is already being widely dissected. It is hard to take anything he says seriously when his issues with the president seem so damn personal more than policy. (Something I have seen sooo many DUers bemoan as the worse thing in the world, people who put personal over policy.)

Yes, the issues of the poor should be confronted, but when someone says that the president doesn't like "free black men," they need to get their asses called on the carpet. And as many times as necessary until they learn the difference between substantive disagreement and bigoted, immaterial bullshit.

Anyone who has ears and a brain and doesn't live inside the Beltway bubble knows exactly what Dr. West is talking about. This country has further deteriorated over the last few years. Obama had perhaps the biggest opportunity in decades to right some economic wrongs, but he instead chose to reward the very perpetrators of massive financial fraud. Obama made the decision to appoint a cadre of morally bankrupt neo-liberals to his economic team. He had the support of the country to start bringing troops home, but he chose to expand the wars. He could have fought for the very popular public option, but he decided to sell his supporters out, instead.

Nutty attempts to link Dr. west to birtherism aren't going to cut it. We know we got played.

been played.

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Cornel West is going beyond mere words in his disagreements with Obama. West is on the steering committee of the New Progressive Alliance (see newprogs.org, and diaries at firedoglake.com), which is looking to run a primary candidate against Obama, from his left. This candidate is expected to lose, however this loss will be treated as part of a larger strategy which looks to unite progressives such that they're not taken for granted by Democrats. Right now, it looks like the New Progressive Alliance/Dem candidate must pledge to support another progressive NPA candidate in the general election, running as an independent or 3rd Party candidate.

with the facts

His performance was embarrassing.

If West got some facts wrong, boo hoo. What about most of criticisms? West is on the steering committee of the New Progressive Alliance, and I think it unlikely that their essential messages will be compromised, AT ALL, by errors as relatively trivial as when Obama last met with the CBC.

Whether or not you deny the existence of such complaints, the NPA certainly does not, and intends to do something about them. Whining on internet forums is vastly over-rated....

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See newprogs.org

and minty!!!


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which ain't ever gonna happen. The sad part is, they can't actually elect anyone more progressive than Obama, but they can certainly help elect another W. I actually think, as in 2000, that's the goal. They seem to think that if things get so bad, they'll finally be able to elect a Hugo Chavez in this country. And they certainly aren't above taking money from the very people they claim to despise, just ask Ralph Nader. It's pathetic, and it's desparate.

Looks like the teabaggers ain't got nothing on the "New Progressive Alliance". :rofl:

Not only are his complaints not substantive, he doesn't seem to give a shit about anything the President has done.

President Obama has put policies in place to address hunger and homelessness.

"first major federal antipoverty effort in decades"

Federal Strategic Plan to End Homelessness

HUD MAKES AVAILABLE $61 MILLION TO SIX APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, REVITALIZE NEIGHBORHOODS

Govt announces plan to reduce health disparities

Second Chance Act

Theses are the kinds of programs West should be talking up to increase awareness and funding, and to hold the administration accountable.

Instead he claims to be speaking for the poor blacks, calling the President a "puppet," while admitting he has no contact whatsoever with the Congressional Black Caucus.

Some advocate.

"Whining on internet forums is vastly over-rated...."

Why are you here?

"Not only are his complaints not substantive" - Too funny!

See Cornel West’s Disgust with Obama Should Not Make Him a Pariah

Also, here's a recent article on how the crappy healthcare is working out: http://www.naturalnews.com/032428_Obamacare_health_care_costs.html">Obamacare failure now evident as health care costs rise nationwide. This article links to a NY Times article. Not pretty:

That's your response to this?

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is exactly right in his criticism of Obama on the Wall Street problem. Why no handcuffs? Why is it business as usual on Wall Street after the way they wrecked the economy? Like Dr. West said recently, even explaining the reason for the meltdown would have served the Democratic Party well by defusing the Tea Party noise machine. The actions and inactions of the Obama Administration are puzzling to many of us.

And this isn't a black-white thing or a liberal-conservative thing, it is a right-wrong thing.

Just look at the revolving door criminals in O's administration.

We, of all color want perfection. Most likely we aren't going to get it in this life and certainly not in 4 years.

is not asking for miracles.

She repeated administration talking points like a good girl. But she can't own West because he is right. This administration has tended to Wall Street not Main Street and there is really no getting around that.

Somebody who will say *anything* just to make one 'side' look good, even if goes against everything a true liberal would stand for. Putting party over principal, always repeating the same talking points, never an original thought, never criticizing 'his' party once --not even when it's deserved. Why people watch this dumb-ass is a mystery to me.