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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:06 PM
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The Dark Side of 'Smart' Meters
 
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Posted on YouTube: November 01, 2010
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Posted on DU: July 12, 2011
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:41 PM
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1. Who puts their own name on a loyalty card?
I will admit, I skipped through a lot of this, because the guy is boring as hell, but his thesis is that the loyalty card tells you who bought it, and then the power company can say when you used it.

My dogs and cats have a ton of loyalty cards--me, I have none.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:47 PM
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2. Mostly what I found horrifying is the studies that show the correlation
between exposure to the radiation and cancer incidence.

That's okay when you are a consenting adult holding a cell phone to your own head, but Smart Meters end up in neighborhoods, right next to daycare centers.

He's dry, but I found his presentation very thorough. (And I've had worse lecturers in college, so I'm used to boring)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:02 PM
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4. You're a better man than I!
I've lost patience in my old age.

Those smart meters are going in all over the place, I hope someone is tracking this stuff.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:31 PM
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6. Some say that the point of these Smart Meters is to track us.
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 03:33 PM by truedelphi
P G & E here in California states that its mission is to show the consumners how they can defer their energy useage to better times of the 24 hour cycle. They state they want us to use appliances between seven Pm and four Am.

They sent two representatives to give the usual talking points to our Board of five Supervisors.

One of the Supervisors really took the reps to task. This is a county where the average day time summer temperature is in the high nineties. And often in the low 100's.

A person cannot "defer" their need for AC to a later point in time. After all, there wouldn't be any point for me to run my AC at three Am - by then it is only 69 degrees out.

The reps stood by the P G & E argument that there are only twelve to fifteen days a year when energy for heating or cooling is needed during the day. I have no idea why they would use that as an argument - it is clearly a straw argument meant to convince only those too braind dead to think about it.

The Supervisor disagreeing with them invited them to spend the entire summer here!

So what is the real meaning of these meters? What do they "REALLY" do?

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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:39 PM
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8. Name, address and phone # are required
for Safeway and Fred Meyer/Kroger loyalty cards.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:18 PM
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9. I have a Safeway card. I put down a bogus number to a pizza place
and the address of a hotel.

The thing still works, and I've had the card for years! Well, my dead dog has had the card for years....I just use it.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 09:28 AM
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11. I never thought of lying
And in fact, I will not even now. It does not futher trust and that begins with me. I have never been able to lie. Even when my life was in danger and I tried to lie to protect myself, it didn't work.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:07 PM
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13. I have a few cards in the names of long-dead relatives, as well.
It's not a matter of trust, it's a matter of excessive intrusion into my private life and personal details. To save three cents on a can of peas, I shouldn't have to bear my soul to a supermarket corporation, and have my mailbox stuffed and overstuffed with crap from them and every nitwit to whom they sell my details.

I refuse to play their game.

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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:32 PM
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15. So you've never played pretend?
You've never pulled anybody's leg? You've never tricked someone into going to their surprise party by fibbing. You never told your best girlfriend her ass didn't look big in those pants when really it looked like two pigs wrestling in a wet sack?

What did you do for fun exactly when you were growing up?

Lying is playing pretend. They are exactly the same.


Playing pretend/fibbing/etc. benefits both people. Lying benefits one. That is the only difference.

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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 08:44 AM
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10. Lie.
I do the same thing as MadDem...

Make up a name and phone, choose a business location for an address.

They aren't being ethical in their use of your information, why should you treat their attempts to get it with honesty?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:09 PM
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14. If you really want to be bold, you can put down names like
Horace U. Rodinon or Maya Zurts!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:53 PM
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3. Being in a Broadcast engineering position in a past life, I found this quite interesting.
Especially the last part when the smart meter can discern what device is using power.
Plug in electronic devices can leak information back through their power cord. Can this smart meter track that also? Can it know you are using a computer, watching TV, playing games on your X-box?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:03 PM
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5. That's pretty much what the guy was saying, near as I could tell. nt
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:06 AM
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12. Electronic devices are different from devices that use motors.
Motors are induction devices and as such they cause a phase shift(voltage leads current) in the power feeding them.
The Smart Meters measure this phase shift. Modern electronic gadgets generally do not cause this phase shift, but being generally digital devices, radiate RF energy, often back though their power cords. That's the reason for those cylindrical thingings (ferrite beads) on some power cords. RFI/MFI surge protectors also stop this RF energy from flowing back through the power lines.

I think I may have answered my own question. No smart meters do not see the information from electronic devices.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:36 PM
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7. Health, privacy and media manipulation
Not only explains the health problems associated with RF signals, but also the power of the industry to control media when they directly got Reuters to change an news report that went out over the wire! That revelation is the more startling and horrifying of what is being presented. Also the links with childhood Leukemia.
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