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Billysundae Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:01 PM
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Can We All Stop Pretending To Love Ron Paul?
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 03:13 PM by Billysundae
 
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Tucker Carlson (7.06) schools everyone about Ron Paul and then begins a fierce argument with the straw men in his head...

Bonus:: Tucker plays his "libertarian" card like it's making his head get fatter if he doesn't prattle on.

BONUS:: Bill tries to get in his obligatory "Dems suck too" meme by bringing up the cigarette tax, lathering up Carlson into a "join the team of freedom" squawk.

Libertarian- Democrats with cooler music....

Make Tucker Carlson wear a bowtie again.
He has to.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:15 PM
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1. Corporate masters are pulling Tucker strings
I think they are scared of crossover votes in the primaries, so Tucker is instructed to go and fix "liberal love" for Ron Paul.

:P
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:53 PM
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8. There shouldn't be liberal love for Ron Paul.
He isn't in any way a liberal, he just is on the right side of the war - that's all. He is in every way a libertarian which is 'if its not in the constitution it shouldn't exist'. Maher has described himself as libertarian in times past, I don't think he is really with us as much as he is against bush.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:52 PM
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2. How can we possibly stop?
When we never started loving Ron Paul in the first place?
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Billysundae Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:03 PM
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3. Exactly
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 04:13 PM by Billysundae
That's always been my position. I completely understand why a new batch of exasperated people are looking to Ron Paul and again I don't blame them. The smartest guy I've ever known, who gave me my first Grateful Dead Greek Theatre Berkeley ticket, used to actively inform people about Paul and this was back in 1989. Ron Paul makes a lot of sense in many areas and i appreciate and applaud his honesty.


However,

He's a Republican.


(I just added the "however" because subtle irony doesn't go over so well on the innertubes....)
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DanG2012 Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:10 PM
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5. might just...
I haven't voted repub in over 20 years, I acutally might vote for Dr. No...
unless AL runs.
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golden voyages Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:25 PM
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11. Same here. If Gore doesn't run, I will register as a republican to vote for him
It seems like all the major Dem candidates are bought and paid for by the infamous M/I complex and are every bit as corrupt as most of the GOP.

Ron Paul stands alone and he will have my vote. He'll end the war, abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve. American will then once again be the America our founding fathers established.
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:12 PM
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19. Ron Paul will defang Federal regulation of corporations
And in the absence of government regulation, corporations will encroach on your life in too many ways to mention. But if that's okay with you, go ahead.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:20 PM
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20. Have you not seen or heard of Kucinich?
He is on the right side of the war also, and impeachment, and health care, and education, and many other issues. Ron Paul is a one trick pony and a bunch of unwanted crap including doing away with department of education, no universal health care, and some evidence of past racism.
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:29 PM
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22. Do you care where he stands on any other issues?
Health care? Education? Social security? Global warming? I am a progressive Democrat and I care deeply about these issues. I believe that we must return to being a "We society" not the "Me, Me society" that Ron Paul and other libertarians advocate. I also have a problem with his anti-choice position. While Ron Paul's stand on the war and some civil liberty issues is admirable, he certainly will not get my vote.
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CubicleGuy Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:54 PM
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14. Ron Paul may be a Republican...
... but he could just as easily have been a Democrat, if that would have led him to being elected. The rules of the game pretty much require him to be one or the other in order to have any chance whatsoever, so I'm not sure you can hold his Republicanism against him.
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:40 PM
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17. What are you smoking?
...And can I have some?

Paul is running as a Republican because it is the closest thing to a Libertarian there is in the two-Party system.

"Paul could just as easily of been a Democrat" as I could be Communist.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:17 PM
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9. Precisely .. besides opposition to the war, Paul would do away with
financing of infrastructure, social security, medicare, highways ..
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golden voyages Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:20 PM
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10. Who is the "we" you refer to? Sorry, but you don't speak for me.
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Billysundae Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:57 PM
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18. It was Tucker Carlson's line.....
It was Tucker Carlson's line.....
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:04 PM
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4. Never did like the little bugger anyway.
Sure he has clarity and sanity enough to want to get us out of the war, but that is just because he isn't part of the 'gang' and has nothing to gain by supporting it.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:28 PM
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6. I'm stuck with Ron Paul for the primary
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 04:31 PM by jimlup
Since I vote in Michigan and all of the major candidates (except notably Hillary) have pulled out of the Michigan January 15th primary, the only antiwar statement that I can make by vote is to vote in the republican primary for Ron Paul which I'm planning to do on January 15th. I'd rather not vote in the Republican primary since I'm NOT a republican but the dems have left me no strong anti-war candidate. Since opposition to the war is my primary issue - switching over and voting for Paul is a no-brainer.

Frankly, while I oppose most of Paul's "libertarian" agenda, if Paul shakes stuff up in the republican party that would be good. I'm absolutely certain the man has zero chance of becoming president - the party bosses and big wigs will make sure of that even if they have to go to the extreme of bringing down his plane on the way to the convention.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:27 PM
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21. I'm with you on this one. My candidate from the democratic party chooses not to be on the ballot.
I will be voting Ron Paul come January. Might even post a yard sign just out of spite!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:34 PM
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7. The segment with Fox was brilliant
and why the hell should we love Ron Paul? He's right about the war and that's it. A stopped clock has a better record.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:40 PM
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12. Right on. Paul is anti-government, which means anti-Social Security, anti-
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 06:41 PM by indie_ana_500
EPA, anti-Medicare,...and all the things that the average American stands for.

It's refreshing to hear his frank way of speaking, and some of his ideas are on the mark....but he is as far from the left as anyone can get.

He's libertarian....which means he is anti-government, basically.

It is also irritating the way his "supporters" have organized to harass Cspan and other media. They read from a script, portray a false impression at the beginning that they are going to speak about some issue, and then zing...they pull out the ol' "Ron Paul standardized message." They're sort of like robots.

And now their supporters are trying to garner support here in DU. Waste of time. But then what else are Ron Paul supporters going to do?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:53 PM
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13. "The Republicans are a bunch of pussy's!"

That was the best line of the night though I wouldn't say it's because they won't come on the View. None of those pussy's would ever go to a war they had to fight other than John McCain.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:32 PM
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15. notice the "democrats" who claim to be thinking about switching to vote for RP?
They all have a couple of dozen posts. I smell a troll or two. Oh, and I smell fear.
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:36 PM
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16. Tucker is absolutely right on Paul & Hillary.
I'm not sure how other feel on here, but Tucker is absolutely right about Ron Paul and Hillary.

I've been confronting Paul supporters for months now and exposing just how shallow their support for him is: "He's right on Iraq." Fine, then he calls the soldiers back on day one. Now what does he do with the remaining 3 years and 364 days left of his Presidency? He abolishes the Department of Education, he gets rid of college Pell grants, he privatizes Social Security, and if you think he'll support a National Healthcare system, you're dreaming.

And on Hillary, her bad experience with the press in the past, and the way she controls her media image today, makes it a near certainty that she'll be every bit as restrictive/repressive of the press as Bush is.

I'm no fan of Mr. Bowtie (even though he left it at home for this appearance), but he is 100% correct in this clip.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:32 PM
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23. Why, Ron Paul is so liberal and progressive....
David Duke just endorsed him.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:04 PM
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24. Ron Paul Is the Prime Example of that Old Saying:
Even a blind pig can turn up an acorn occasionally.
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Kyrina Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:30 AM
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25. I don't get it
I seem to know a lot of people who seem to really love Ron Paul and I just don't get it. They seem to just see him as this big sign for change and a political reset button. Admittedly, he's someone I feel like I can grudgingly respect, even if I don't agree with him. (unlike a lot of the other candidates of both major parties)
Then again, I've also seen a weird movement toward guys in their early 20's leaning toward being libertarian. I also don't get that. Two of them were home schooled but now they go to a public university.

I just worry that a Ron Paul presidency will get us even further from a balanced society.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:39 AM
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26. The John Birch Society endorces Ron Paul.
If this facist, racist organization endorses someone, it should be a clarion call for Liberals to NOT support him!
He does not distance himself from these people, and he is just another neo-conman, with a different con game, that's ALL.

Same crap, different color!
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