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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:20 PM
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Michael Moore On Countdown
 
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:42 PM
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1. WE LOVE YA, MICHAEL. . .
. . .you and Dennis are our drum-beaters. . .thanks a million times over!
:hug: :loveya: :hug: :loveya: :hug:
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:49 PM
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2. Moore should stay away from interviews. He always seems weak off the cuff.
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:03 PM
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4. Which interview were you watching?
:shrug:
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:14 PM
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8. Compared to talkers like KO, and Blitzer...
He doesn't do well. He's a brilliant satirist and film maker but poor off the cuff.

At least he doesn't try to be someone else.

He is, who he is.

He's just better in movies.
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:35 PM
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14. OK, you already said he was "poor off the cuff"
but you haven't said what that means or given an example. He made sense to me.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:28 AM
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17. His facial expressions to a large degree. He has this scowl that...
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 12:32 AM by Flabbergasted
I think is a turn off. His face is not symmetrical which is extremely important for speakers; he curls one lip. That is just for starters.

During his Wolf Blitzer interview, when Sicko came out, he became indignant and rambled a bit. He could have used the time more effectively.

BTW I like Michael a lot. He is a real patriot. And I'm not saying he doesn't "make sense".

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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:52 AM
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21. Might as well add that he's fat
By your standards, Mitt Romney looks pretty good.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:47 PM
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27. Being fat has no bearing. Lots of great speakers are overweight. nt
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:23 PM
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31. You miss the point
You comment on superficialities. What is your problem with the substance of this interview? What is "weak" or "poor off the cuff" (whatever the hell that means) about anything he said? Do you nitpick other public figures the same way?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:53 AM
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32. Read post 10.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 11:53 AM by Flabbergasted
This is really not worth my time. Would you feel better if I wrote: "IMO he is weak at presentation even though other people don't agree" which is what I meant all along?

bye
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:06 PM
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5. Weak???
Michael GETS IT and that comes through loud and clear.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:20 PM
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10. His points are legitimate and valid...no doubt. nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:14 PM
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7. Sounds fine to me.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:49 PM
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15. I am assuming you didn't watch his interview with
Wolf Blitzer when Sanjay Gupta did that hit piece. That awesome and hilarious....
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:38 AM
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18. I really thought it was a poor performance...
IMO He came across as an angry leftist more than was necessary. He could have used that time stating facts rather than scolding CNN.

You are talking about the one when he was promised 10 minutes(?) of unedited air-time?

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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:13 AM
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22. Ohhh please.....
Stating "facts" is something that is never happens on CNN. It was about time that Leslie was taken to task about not investigating WMDs among a million other things.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:50 PM
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3. Thanks for posting this, Nomad
I often will look at the other related videos that appear after the run-through and there is another interview Keith did w/ Michael back in July that was very good as well.

Good advice: Call your Rep, Email them, go and visit their local offices and express your opinion.

Thanks again, Nomad. I missed this episode of Countdown.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:08 PM
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6. Recommend. Thank you. nt
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:16 PM
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9. My mom voted on that today.
(Oregon measure 50)
Some people said it's an unfair tax because it singles out smokers to be taxed. Other people said that smokers would end up smoking less. I have a feeling it's going to pass.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:23 PM
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11. It will not pass more than likely.
I think its great because it will make people smoke less and probably keep a few thousand kids from starting.

The rest is all bullshit.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:32 PM
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13. You don't think it's going to pass?
I thought most Oregonians seemed to be for it. But maybe I'm not mingling with a truly representative slice of Oregon voters.

How's measure 49? I also think that one's going to pass, barely.
But it could be wishful thinking.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:21 AM
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16. The tobacco industry spent 12 million on this. Hard to beat that.
49 I predict will pass but who knows.





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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:59 AM
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19. It never had a chance
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3055473#3056911

The TV and radio blared slickly crafted deception and misinformation (in sheer volume that I've NEVER seen) for over two months- on every channel.

The tobacco companies outspent proponents by at least 9-1 (I think I saw two commercials the whole time, whereas I must have personally seen and heard (turned the channel- only to find them playing on another) easily 1,000 -and probably more against the measure.

Never under estimate the power of propaganda. The principles work, even on otherwise reasonable and responsible people- and they'll reject reason- or go off on crazy ideas in a manner that will shock you.

I mourned for this measure long ago (even though, surprisingly enoug, even the right wing Oregonian endorsed it).
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:30 PM
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12. I voted yes on 50
And it was not an easy vote to make because of all of the reasons that MM talked about. Still, at the end of the day I don't want children to be denied health care while we do battle for the real answer, universal not for profit single payer health care.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:59 AM
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20. I drove through the state of Oregon today
on my way from WA to CA and didn't know about the measure until I read this and listened to Mike but saw huge signs up and down the freeway to vote no on 50. I hope it passes but they were really out there with the signs.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:10 AM
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23. Worthwhile noting Kucinich is the one with the genuine program, he speaks of...
... Although even if he gets the candidacy and WH it's something Americans will have to fight real hard for, as there is congress to whip into shape.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:25 AM
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24. I watch Countdown at msnbc.com
It's probably better than watching on YouTube, because they count the hits.

Plus they get income from a few short commercials.

So it all helps to keep Keith on the air and on the net.

Here is a link to the Countdown homepage: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677

You could also try: http://video.msn.com
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WilyWondr Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:12 AM
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25. I guess the selfish rule Oregon too
http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071107/NEWS0107/711070457
Measure 50 was supposed to give voters a choice between cheaper cigarettes and expanded health care programs, mostly for low-income kids.

But a record-setting ad blitz by the tobacco industry helped reframe the debate into one over the sanctity of Oregon’s constitution, which would have been amended by the measure to include a higher tobacco tax.

In the end, that strategy worked.

Measure 50 was failing Tuesday, with voters rejecting the proposed cigarette tax increase by a 53 percent-to-47 percent margin.

In Central Oregon, the margin of defeat was even greater, with more than 60 percent of voters rejecting the tax hike.

“The concerns about the constitution pulled us even, and allowed us to make other arguments,” said J.L. Wilson, a business industry lobbyist and spokesman for the tobacco-backed Oregonians Against the Blank Check Committee.

“But at the end of the day it was a fairness issue and a lack of sustainability issue. I think Oregonians are rejecting picking on one convenient section of population for a program like this.”

The measure would have raised an estimated $386 million over the next four years, but from a minority of the population.

The latest figures from the Oregon Department of Human Services show that fewer than one in five Oregonians now smokes, and that number is dropping. However, statistics from the federal Centers for Disease Control also show that cigarette taxes don’t cover the medical and lost productivity costs caused by smoking.

Tuesday’s loss hands a stinging defeat to Democrats and Gov. Ted Kulongoski, who sent the so-called Healthy Kids Plan to voters as a way to provide health coverage to more than 100,000 uninsured Oregon children. Initially, polls showed it would pass comfortably.

The defeat also deals a blow to efforts to expand health care to all Oregonians, because part of the proceeds would have provided 10,000 now-uncovered adults with subsidized care.

“The governor is saying that this is not a vote about whether Oregonians want health care for kids,” said Kulongoski spokeswoman Patty Wentz. “It’s a vote you get when the tobacco industry puts in $12 million, and it will not change the fact that health care for kids is his top priority.”

The spending for and against the measure set a new high-water mark for campaign contributions in Oregon. Tobacco companies poured $12 million into Oregon to oppose it. Proponents, which included the American Cancer Association, hospitals and labor unions, combined to spend $3.4 million.

“It was unprecedented,” said Cathy Kaufmann, manager for the Healthy Kids Oregon campaign. “That $12 million was twice as much as you need to confuse Oregon voters.”

The plan would have raised cigarette taxes by 84.5 cents, to $2.03 per pack, which is the same level as Washington state.

In addition to more money for health coverage, the plan also would have increased spending on tobacco prevention programs.

With the defeat of Measure 50, the biggest winners were smokers, the tobacco industry — which risked sales declines because of higher prices — and also Republicans, who successfully blocked the Healthy Kids Plan during the 2007 session.

State Rep. Gene Whisnant, R-Sunriver, said the plan was wrongheaded because it is not fair to raise taxes on smokers — who are generally poorer and less educated than the population as a whole — to pay for children’s health care.

He said Republicans are willing to support children’s health care, but not to raise taxes for it.

“It was a bad bill,” he said. “This demonstrates the ability of the Democratic leadership to push a bill the public could not support.”

Unable to muster the needed three-fifths majority for tax increases, the Democrat-led assembly in June steered the cigarette tax proposal to the ballot.

But lawmakers took the controversial approach of proposing a constitutional amendment, which took just a bare majority vote. Even some supporters said they were squeamish about putting a cigarette tax in the constitution — even though that document has been repeatedly muddied over the years by other ballot initiatives.

“As we go forward in this state, I am hopeful that citizens will carefully consider what constitutional amendments they are voting on,” said Sen. Ben Westlund, D-Tumalo, who supported the measure.

Still, he said, “children have a constitutional right to health care.”

He said it is too soon to say what the next step will be and whether the issue could resurface during the month-long legislative session planned for February.

“It is mere hours after the election, and it is too soon to tell what the appetite of the Legislature will be at this point,” he said. “But unquestionably, there are many of us that will not give up the fight, and not just for children but for all Oregonians.”

A higher tobacco tax was seen not just as a way to raise more taxes, but also as a tool to persuade people to cut down on the unhealthy habit.


I had hopes that the progressives outnumbered the selfish in Oregon, but I was wrong.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:13 AM
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26. That's crazy
It's not even about being selfish.

Statistically there must be more parents than smokers.

Not that you need to be a parent to care about kids health.

But who cares about the price of smokes, except smokers? :eyes:
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:51 PM
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33. The 1st paragraph of that article makes no sense
Measure 50 was supposed to give voters a choice between cheaper cigarettes and expanded health care programs, mostly for low-income kids.

Am I reading that wrong? How can cigarettes be cheaper when they are taxed more?

We had a measure in 2002 which did pass and the result was an increase of $.60/pack. Yet, the revenues came no where close to the $30 million projected.

Why tax a product that the lawmakers want people to quit? If people quit, there will be no revenue for the healthcare of low-income kids.

Very stupidly written measure.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 03:09 PM
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28. Regressive sin taxes and twisting issues
Moore was right to question what is wrong with us.

The tobacco tax is regressive and a sin tax, right? Shouldn't we as Democrats be against regressive taxes?

I hate tobacco companies and even question the ethics of farming tobacco, but isn't this the kind of confusion of issues that Republicans must love?

The issue is healthcare and while Republicans want to stress how you are going to pay for it, we should answer every time that Americans pay twice over and get less.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:10 PM
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29. Hi,Mickey!
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:12 PM
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30. I Mickey ! !
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